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Pitchie:
Like Martin said, I make a nitty fold after getting raised on the turn. I doubt he"s ever making this raise as a bluff or with worse Jacks on the turn. Feel"s like value to me. Fold the river.

One note, even when your running over the table as you mentioned, I don"t like to play every hand. Out of position this is exactly the sort of situation you will find yourself in. The fact they"ve been playing tightly and are now coming after you on the turn makes it more of a fold than if you hadn"t been so active. Try not to be overly aggressive. I know... that"s a bit rich coming from me, but I"ve learnt the hard way that there are times to take the foot off a little!  :)

KKChancerKK:

--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on January 04, 2012, 21:18:41 PM ---
OK, yeah fold pre BUT you can play this type of hand especially as you have an edge on the table, I would just prefer to do it in position. I may well raise it pre as well.

The flop is OK for your hand, sort of. I mean you have trips with top kicker so you are probably ahead but I don"t see how we are winning a big pot. I would bet anyway as there are two of them in the hand and if I take it down here fine if they call I am reassessing on the turn. Only one calls.

He could have a king here or he could have a jack with a worse kicker? Has he flatted with AA and got stubborn maybe, or has he flatted with KK, both are pretty reasonable to do OOP in a pot that is likely to go multi-way. KJ is also in his range, for these reasons I am proceeding with caution. There are no real draws he should have. I do want to get to showdown but don"t want a huge pot.

My plan would have been to check behind if a blank hits the turn, then it complicates things by giving us a full house. Has our hand really changed though? What were we losing too on the flop that we now beat? Not a lot although we now do beat another AJ. I think we should check behind on the turn then we will be able to get to showdown with our good but not great hand and not end up with stacks in. He might also bluff at the river which we can call.

Betting the turn is not that bad of course, if he calls I would be happy enough. I don"t like it when he raises. People don"t do this kind of thing in PLO with on paired boards without a FH usually. We also have a FH but unless he has 77 which I can"t put him on we are beat. I don"t even think this fold is that nitty. Fold it there and then. If we call then we are I presume trying to get a cheap showdown which we should have done by checking on the turn.

The river is another king. This again actually changes very little, we still beat everything we beat before and lose to everything we lost too (except K-7 but thats unlikely). He shoves, this is horrible, as the river in theory made our hand stronger. I still don"t like it, he has played it like it"s KK or KJ. You have shown strength and he does not seem worried. Although nothing has changed really all through the hand if I have got here I am folding on the river. We don"t need to compound previous mistakes.

Going back to what I said at the start, if you want to play these kinds of hands these kind of spots are going to come up.

as played - Fold River (yes really)

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As you have no history ... this is spot on

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