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Flush draw (too passive ??)
AMRN:
Interesting that I"m in a minority of one when it comes to the 3b bet sizing - everyone else seem to think it"s fine...
My point is that by 3betting small, there is no incentive for him to fold, meaning we are guaranteeing his call, and are then going to have to play the rest of the hand out of position against an unknown random. It"s hard enough to play oop against someone when we have reads and known tendencies, but with no prior info, it"s pretty damned awkward.
So, is there really no merit in taking the hand down here and now with a larger 3bet??
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: AMRN on February 27, 2012, 23:19:37 PM ---
Interesting that I"m in a minority of one when it comes to the 3b bet sizing - everyone else seem to think it"s fine...
My point is that by 3betting small, there is no incentive for him to fold, meaning we are guaranteeing his call, and are then going to have to play the rest of the hand out of position against an unknown random. It"s hard enough to play oop against someone when we have reads and known tendencies, but with no prior info, it"s pretty damned awkward.
So, is there really no merit in taking the hand down here and now with a larger 3bet??
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Steve if you"re always peeling 3 bets of this sizing from the sb even in pos it"s probably a pretty big leak.
We"re probably 3 betting the bottom of our range here. I see no incentive in trying to take down the pot pre when we"re not really ever gonna be light from the sb unless there"s some sort of history
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on February 27, 2012, 23:10:29 PM ---
I have a few questions@ the "bet flop and turn" crew.
If we fire out on the flop and turn, we leave ourselves a nice 3 quarter ish pot sized river bet to fire off our third barrell.
All but one have not given a plan for the river. What is your plan? Only Marty has said "unload the clip". Just curious that a lot of people have said bluff/semi bluff 2 streets with no advice on the river.
FWIW, I have already said that any bet on the turn would be based on reads/tendencies. If I did bet the turn it would be with the intention of shoving most rivers. What rivers would people who bet flop and turn give up on?
Also think Brendan"s point about 3 betting pre is very valid. I would auto 3 bet here, because I like doing it a lot but the argument for playing a smaller pot OOP against an unknown is fair enough.
Also question for Brian. If there are 15 left, how come you are playing on a full 9 man table?? has there just been 2 (or 3??) exits on the other table?
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I mean there are a number of board rivers that I empty the clip. Some I don"t. On this board run out I"d actually give up.
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on February 27, 2012, 20:56:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: Erimus on February 27, 2012, 10:28:21 AM ---
10k gteed Stars $33, 15 left i have 51 bigs villain just come to the table no hands on him, questions are
1) Is 3 bet too small ? if so how much do you 3 bet here or is flatting an option ?
2) After flop should i lead out here or take the free card after villain has checked ?
I bet 12k into 25k pot on the turn, again too small or would you bet bigger ?
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3bet size is fine, flop is pretty decent for your hand so you must bet.
Why did you consider 3 betting a better option than flatting?
Curious about the pro"s and con"s of 3 betting pre, do we all agree 3 betting for value is best against an unknown button raise.
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Would rather play the hand OOP but with the lead then flatting. We"re just going to end up c/folding so many flops. I"m 3 bet folding against a random but actually don"t mind 3/5 betting against the right opponent
Swinebag:
--- Quote from: AMRN on February 27, 2012, 23:19:37 PM ---
So, is there really no merit in taking the hand down here and now with a larger 3bet??
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2.5x is a pretty standard 3 bet size.
what would you suggest?
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