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Match Structure
Foggy:
--- Quote from: Honeybadg on March 18, 2012, 09:32:55 AM ---
What is the thinking behind moving from 5000 chips to 4000 chips.
If you assume 500 runners.
Old version : 2,500,000 chips in play
New version : 2,000,000 chips in play
9 player Final Table
Averages chips - 278k vs 222k - say average player will have 20BB at final table point.
So estimated level to reach final table - BB @ c14k or c11k i.e. mid level 24 vs mid level 23 - so having 4000 chips to start might save you 12 minutes to get to the Final Table.
It might take a few more minutes to play out the final table - but again the blinds grow so quickly - only a level to deal with the 25% more chips in play ...
12 minutes great - but can we have our starting stacks back to 5,000 (next week)?
The rationale for having the extra chips at the start is that it delays the part of the tournament where people need to shove in order to double up or die - the more time you have to build your stack to avoid this the better the poker is.
Louis
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I am in total agreement with this post.
It also allows for looser play during the earlier levels with a proportion of your starting stack, which obviously is lessened by the reduction to 4k
ian.ski309:
--- Quote from: Honeybadg on March 18, 2012, 09:32:55 AM ---
What is the thinking behind moving from 5000 chips to 4000 chips.
If you assume 500 runners.
Old version : 2,500,000 chips in play
New version : 2,000,000 chips in play
9 player Final Table
Averages chips - 278k vs 222k - say average player will have 20BB at final table point.
So estimated level to reach final table - BB @ c14k or c11k i.e. mid level 24 vs mid level 23 - so having 4000 chips to start might save you 12 minutes to get to the Final Table.
It might take a few more minutes to play out the final table - but again the blinds grow so quickly - only a level to deal with the 25% more chips in play ...
12 minutes great - but can we have our starting stacks back to 5,000 (next week)?
The rationale for having the extra chips at the start is that it delays the part of the tournament where people need to shove in order to double up or die - the more time you have to build your stack to avoid this the better the poker is.
Louis
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My thoughts exactly.
Maybe we could have tried reducing one or the other to see what effect it had on the finishing time ?
Slicing 20% off the starting stack and also 20% off the clock after only one game seems a bit severe. Just my tuppence worth.
pables:
--- Quote from: Des on March 16, 2012, 14:33:51 PM ---
There has been a great deal of discussion on the structure; particularly on the Captains board, following last weekend"s opening match in the National Online League.
As a result APAT and the Captains have agreed to test a slightly reduced structure for match 2. This will consist of 4,000 starting chips and 12 minute blinds - a structure which is still deeper than PokerStars own deep stack structure. These changes should see the final table completing around 12.30am.
We look forward to seeing you all ahead of match 2 and as always, we will listen to your feedback following that match also - but hope the changes we"ve made will allow an even greater number of players to enjoy the PokerStars.com National Online League.
Captains please inform your players of these changes.
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Everyone has a valid point but why don"t we w8 and see what happens...........as Des has pointed out, we will look at the feedback after this evening, let"s get behind the guys instead of complaining, just my opinion!
mylesfdo:
--- Quote from: Honeybadg on March 18, 2012, 09:32:55 AM ---
What is the thinking behind moving from 5000 chips to 4000 chips.
If you assume 500 runners.
Old version : 2,500,000 chips in play
New version : 2,000,000 chips in play
9 player Final Table
Averages chips - 278k vs 222k - say average player will have 20BB at final table point.
So estimated level to reach final table - BB @ c14k or c11k i.e. mid level 24 vs mid level 23 - so having 4000 chips to start might save you 12 minutes to get to the Final Table.
It might take a few more minutes to play out the final table - but again the blinds grow so quickly - only a level to deal with the 25% more chips in play ...
12 minutes great - but can we have our starting stacks back to 5,000 (next week)?
The rationale for having the extra chips at the start is that it delays the part of the tournament where people need to shove in order to double up or die - the more time you have to build your stack to avoid this the better the poker is.
Louis
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^^^^^^ this +1
Honeybadg:
There is no complaint - just wanted to set down why there is no/little need to alter the starting stack.
APAT have done a tremendous job in setting up this event - structure was brilliant (albeit maybe levels a bit too long to get things finished - given the field size).
L
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