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JJ in UKIPT satellite
pokerpops:
--- Quote from: George2Loose on March 26, 2012, 17:36:56 PM ---
It"s amazing how bad the villian played this hand and somehow finds conditions falling just right for him
--- End quote ---
Isn"t it though :(
Makes a change for me, I"m usually him in your analysis. Which I take far more note of than you could imagine.
What"s your take on the pre flop play George?
BOINGBLITZ:
I agree with Steve"s take on the hand. I would"ve flatted with your stack and seen a flop. You held a massive chip-lead with 2 seats up for grabs and 8 left. The way you played it, if he 4-bet all-in you wouldn"t have felt confident or happy about making the call IMO.
For what it"s worth, I wouldn"t have been able to put him on A-K either as with his stack I wouldv"e been 4-bet jamming pre-flop with that hand.
As it panned out you got very UL as I think he possibly shoves whatever comes on the flop.
WYoung83:
3 bet is a little to large imo, with villians stack size i like 3 betting to 1700-2000, it gives the illusion of fold equity for him to 4 bet you. (which you should be calling in a normal final table but not to sure about sattelites lol)
on the flop i just c bet pretty standard, but the problem comes with your big 3 bet pre flop, the pot is now bigger so your c bet is bigger and it makes it more alkward to play because if he jams (and you end up deciding for whatever reason to make a fold) you loose more chips than you perhaps should of. As played its so tough because there is 5.2 k in pot and he only has 6.7 k behind.
Edit.
Just read the result, and he should of got it in vs you. If you 3 bet smaller though and he just peels, its easier for you to get away from K on the flop, because the stack to pot ratio is significantly smaller.
As played i think i wouldnt fold after the flop. But checking to let him shove is better than setting him in. If he has a flush draw it goes in either way, but if he has air and you check he will shove most likely, and if you set him in he will fold air which is not good.
Also dont agree with just flatting the open raise. Vs his stack you are happy to get it in. You have a big chip lead but you cant really fold your way to a seat with 8 left.
noble1:
@ approx 34% total of the chips if David was to get like a turtle and just fold to say the last 4 with the blind sizes, obv the others will be chipped up, will this increase the chances of getting 1 of the 2 seats or decrease his chances [over a large sample say]
what is the best strategy? open raise every time its folded to u [even better if the shorties were to your right as now u would be able to put the pressure on the medium+ stacks, who are the nits? etc etc
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wowser...
click and experiment with these ranges, how many would push as wide as suggested?
the variance would be interesting :o see below for constant 50/50 variance coinflips, its no wonder that u can get bogged down with a few bad beats :)
if u took millions of coin flips your variance could look like this :) of course it will return to zero but only if you was specifically getting into coinflips ;D
very good post on edge that gets the brain matter ticking over :)
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36/stt-strategy/3-5k-post-edge-really-edge-743669/
--- Quote ---"Sh-it Out of Luck."
Yes the ABCs and 123s were the first things you learned and forever relied on to forge ahead in your life quest. But if you didn't bother to try and expand on that foundation, you would be stuck in kindergarten. I think the same can be said for entry level poker players. They get introduced to the game, learn their ABCs and 123s, have the strong desire and willingness to learn but are not willing to think outside the box for the fear of making mistakes or losing money. If this is you let me tell you now that playing A.B.C will leave you S.O.L
For all the exposure that I've had over the years dealing with players at all buy-in levels, the one thing that seems to fade away as the stakes get higher is the notion of being card dead. This is a favorite topic for the low to micro level players and just doesn't seem to exist at high stakes. I believe this is because the talent level rises as the stakes get higher, and as the lower level player is waiting for opportunities the high stakes player is busy creating them.
Sitting around waiting for the cards to come is just a form of ABC poker and being timid to make moves and not tapping into your creative side will see a lifetime of mediocre/breakeven play which in the long run will just see you broke and S.O.L.
--- End quote ---
don"t be spewy BUT please do not get all turtle like :)
WYoung83:
Good post, and a great quote.
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