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AAroddersAA:
Hi Everybody

I have been catching up on the strategy board and have noticed that almost all post involve the numbers provided by the HUD. I know this is because its probably the best tool we have for getting online reads but it is not the only one. Somebody said we should have a thread for this so I thought I would start one. The sort of things this could involve are:-

1) Bet sizing tells - What sort of things should we be looking out for with regard to bet sizing
2) Betting Patterns - What is a strong line and a weak line on different boards
3) Timing tells - Do they exist and do you use them

Anything else that anybody can think of I will post my thoughts later on today but will wait and see if anybody else wants to add anything to the discussion first.

mporter123:

--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on April 19, 2012, 07:15:18 AM ---
3) Timing tells - Do they exist and do you use them

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The only thing I have been doing for a while now is taking the same amount of time on 90% of the decisions that I make at the tables. On Stars, a buzzer goes after 4-5 seconds to remind you to make your decision. Every time I open, 3 bet, or pretty much make any action, I wait until a millisecond before that buzzer goes and then act. It helps me concentrate when I multi table and stops me rushing things. Also think it stops the classic timing tells.

AAroddersAA:

--- Quote from: mporter123 on April 19, 2012, 09:21:18 AM ---

--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on April 19, 2012, 07:15:18 AM ---
3) Timing tells - Do they exist and do you use them

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The only thing I have been doing for a while now is taking the same amount of time on 90% of the decisions that I make at the tables. On Stars, a buzzer goes after 4-5 seconds to remind you to make your decision. Every time I open, 3 bet, or pretty much make any action, I wait until a millisecond before that buzzer goes and then act. It helps me concentrate when I multi table and stops me rushing things. Also think it stops the classic timing tells.


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In your opinion what are the classic timing tells?

AMRN:
I think timing tells are generally over-rated. So many people who play online are playing multiple tables, and how do you know if a delayed action is because a player is thinking about what to do, or if he is playing hands on twelve other tables at the time. Similarly a very fast action might be because he doesn"t have time to think about his decision as he has action going on elsewhere.

The only real tells I base decisions on online are around bet sizing and historic action (if I have notes on a player, but my note taking is generally poor because I"m playing too many tables).

For me the HUD is an essential tool - without it, it"s like driving round a blind corner on a foggy night, with no lights on the car...... and you can bet your bottom dollar that most of the folk you are up against are using a HUD against you, which means they can drive that same corner with fog lights on, GPS, and radar tracking!

deanp27:
If you are playing MTTs the OPRing every opponent and noting it can be useful. I"d also be careful with HUD stats in MTTs

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