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MTT : AJ on SB against passive limper
AMRN:
--- Quote from: deanp27 on May 18, 2012, 11:18:18 AM ---
I"d still shove
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Perhaps.... and I probably would as well.
Just trying to respond to the point about the difference between being on the button as opposed to be in the small blind.... by having position, you have more choices, and different ways to play the hand. From the SB, the only choice that makes sense is to shove.
Jabreck:
--- Quote from: AMRN on May 18, 2012, 09:30:04 AM ---
I would 3b, but certainly not to 4xbb - just no need for it to be that big. I would 3b to 3x at most - with the stack sizes, this should be enough to get rid of the blinds and to isolate the limper
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I understand that a raise to 3BB is enough to isolate but isn"t it give him too good odds to call with any two cards? Then it is more difficult to "read" his hand, isn"t it?
Should I make different bets according to my cards? For example whan i steal with 98s i don"t want to be paid, does it make sense to raise bigger? I don"t like this because i could give a read on me.
--- Quote from: deanp27 on May 18, 2012, 11:18:18 AM ---
I"d still shove
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It"s not dangerous? SB or BB could wake up with a big hand. I could save a big part of my stack if one shoved and I had raised just 3-4BB. I"d fold because they wouldn"t shove with less than AJo
AMRN:
--- Quote from: Jabreck on May 18, 2012, 12:49:17 PM ---
I understand that a raise to 3BB is enough to isolate but isn"t it give him too good odds to call with any two cards? Then it is more difficult to "read" his hand, isn"t it?
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If he has worse than AJ, and he is out of position to you, why would you ever want him to fold?..... in this instance, when we have the best hand and more importantly, position, we want him to make the bad call. The ideal scenario is that the blinds fold, and the limper makes a bad call - and with the stack sizes as they are, 3xbb seems like an appropriate raise size to achieve this.
--- Quote from: Jabreck on May 18, 2012, 12:49:17 PM ---
Should I make different bets according to my cards? For example whan i steal with 98s i don"t want to be paid, does it make sense to raise bigger? I don"t like this because i could give a read on me.
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I"m an advocate of keeping bet sizes to the same standard, regardless of the cards, or whether you"re betting for value or to steal. If you bet one amount to steal, and another amount for value, the more observant players will pick up on your trends, and you then become very exploitable.
Fatcatstu:
--- Quote from: Jabreck on May 18, 2012, 12:49:17 PM ---
It"s not dangerous? SB or BB could wake up with a big hand. I could save a big part of my stack if one shoved and I had raised just 3-4BB. I"d fold because they wouldn"t shove with less than AJo
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It seems to me that you are really hung up on what cards your opponent has. Yes it is important, but you seem to me to be in danger of being beaten before you enter the hand as you are just assuming that someone will have a big hand.
I am a massive supporter of grinding stacks up by taking down lots of small pots pre flop. Occasionally people do wake up with hands, but Steve has given you the answer to this, raise smaller pre and then re evaluate on the following streets.
deanp27:
Position is important but with effective stack sizes as they are there won"t be multi-street betting or decisions it is not quite as important. He is likely to check his entire range to you on the flop so you may still end up punting your stack off postflop if you don"t hit the flop.
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