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Hand from APAT Cardiff - Heavily discussed in first break. Play along.
Santino67:
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on May 28, 2012, 22:27:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: poker_jason on May 28, 2012, 22:16:07 PM ---
Close - SB (KK) Folds, UTG+1 has A2.....
You are now UTG+1 - Call or Fold?
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Sign result gets posted two minutes before I finish the above post, anyway as above, its a call. You are going to get shown 77 quite a bit but not often enough to make it a fold imo.
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I"m not shoving here with 77 tbh but it is a possibility. I"m still calling FWIW. I had a similar situation against Harry Briggs and Darren Shallis in WCOAP last year in 1st level with A4 spades on 4/4/7 flop. Darren bet, i raised and when Harry shoved, Darren folded. I called him, Harry had KK and went out with no more help.
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: Santino67 on May 28, 2012, 22:39:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on May 28, 2012, 22:27:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: poker_jason on May 28, 2012, 22:16:07 PM ---
Close - SB (KK) Folds, UTG+1 has A2.....
You are now UTG+1 - Call or Fold?
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Sign result gets posted two minutes before I finish the above post, anyway as above, its a call. You are going to get shown 77 quite a bit but not often enough to make it a fold imo.
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I"m not shoving here with 77 tbh but it is a possibility. I"m still calling FWIW. I had a similar situation against Harry Briggs and Darren Shallis in WCOAP last year in 1st level with A4 spades on 4/4/7 flop. Darren bet, i raised and when Harry shoved, Darren folded. I called him, Harry had KK and went out with no more help.
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As a side note. I agree with not shoving 77 in MP2 as we have position. If we were acting first on the turn then I would be shoving it. This make it more of a call imo but not everybody would think about it like this and you will see 77 a fair bit of the time. Pretty sure calling is still very +EV though.
poker_jason:
Rodders Analysis is pretty much spot. Thanks for posting. UTG+1 folded.
The break discussion was should UTG+1 call and did MP2 have 77.
The 2 views being if MP2 has 77 they would call instead shoving.
Now if your MP2 and you have 77 do you shove or call the four-bet?
What is the reasoning behind shove/call?
Santino67:
--- Quote from: poker_jason on May 28, 2012, 22:54:19 PM ---
Rodders Analysis is pretty much spot. Thanks for posting. UTG+1 folded.
The break discussion was should UTG+1 call and did MP2 have 77.
The 2 views being if MP2 has 77 they would call instead shoving.
Now if your MP2 and you have 77 do you shove or call the four-bet?
What is the reasoning behind shove/call?
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77 monster hand in that spot, flat calling even against 2 opponents leaves them drawing really thin and any bet from either of them on turn will result in the chips going in. If you"re outdrawn with 7/7 in that spot it would be pretty sick and lick the wounds time.
Swinebag:
Owston with 72 again?!!
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