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APAT Staking Exchange - Discussion
Fatcatstu:
Sounds like a great idea to me. As mentioned, I think it would police itself. The people involved would most likely be APAT regulars and people well known, do nothing untoward would go on
AceOnTheRiver:
--- Quote from: TightEnd on May 29, 2012, 20:41:38 PM ---
I would have thought that the level of community within APAT, and the fmailiarity of many posters to each other, would make staking a good thing to have on here, if set up correctly
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This is the key for me. Lots of APATers do this on FB already and it"s great for the sweat.
Think this is a good idea.
Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: Des on May 29, 2012, 21:32:28 PM ---
Good feedback thus far, thanks.
Paulie - presume your point is to ensure the staker and the stakee do not play the same event?
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Indeed, if you have staked someone into an APAT event then that might affect your play at the table and ugly words tend to get thrown about when that happens.
I don"t have an issue, per se, with two players in the same tournament swapping percentages as a way to reduce the variance however.
The idea of someone being staked into an APAT event by a non-player with a view to making a profit smacks too much of professionalism for me for something that is mean to be founded for amateurs.
On selling back pieces of an award seat, I thought that the idea was that the seat was entry into an event that you might not otherwise have been able to afford....not to make commercialise the win...after all, it cost the winner effectively nothing and selling pieces, to me, is like selling an APAT seat over market value.
As always, my opinions are my own and others may, do and undoubtedly, will disagree.
RioRodent:
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on May 30, 2012, 05:52:33 AM ---
--- Quote from: Des on May 29, 2012, 21:32:28 PM ---
Good feedback thus far, thanks.
Paulie - presume your point is to ensure the staker and the stakee do not play the same event?
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Indeed, if you have staked someone into an APAT event then that might affect your play at the table and ugly words tend to get thrown about when that happens.
I don"t have an issue, per se, with two players in the same tournament swapping percentages as a way to reduce the variance however.
The idea of someone being staked into an APAT event by a non-player with a view to making a profit smacks too much of professionalism for me for something that is mean to be founded for amateurs.
On selling back pieces of an award seat, I thought that the idea was that the seat was entry into an event that you might not otherwise have been able to afford....not to make commercialise the win...after all, it cost the winner effectively nothing and selling pieces, to me, is like selling an APAT seat over market value.
As always, my opinions are my own and others may, do and undoubtedly, will disagree.
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No Staking By Non-Player (Professionalism) + No Staking By Player In Same Tourney (Fear Of Collusion) = No Staking
I know of at least one APAT staking package sold on blonde a couple of years ago... most likely all to non-APAT players. Selling via the APAT forum would ensure that backers are pretty much all APAT players, thus negating the "professionally backed" fear;
and as has been mentioned, there are numerous people that swap percentages of each other in APAT events... this has always happened and will continue to do so. Player A swapping 10% with Player B is exactly the same as Player A selling 10% to Player B and Player B selling 10% to Player A.
As for not subsequently selling pieces of added value seats won... it can be argued that any backers in the original tournament should also have the same percentage of anything won in the prize tournament, although this doesn"t have to be the case - This is something that needs to clarified in any staking proposal. It is also common practice for people to sell action in tournaments that they have satellited into, and indeed to attempt to satellite into tournaments that they have already sold action in. If I win a seat into a tournament I can see no problem in selling pieces to help cover the cost of travel and hotel expenses.
It just cannot be policed/prevented and there is absolutely no need to try to.
AMRN:
--- Quote from: RioRodent on May 30, 2012, 08:26:06 AM ---
It just cannot be policed/prevented and there is absolutely no need to try to.
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^This. Recognise that swapping and staking already happens offline within the APAT community, and probably in relation to some specific APAT tournaments - by creating the APAT staking area, all we would do is formalise what already happens, and extend it is an opportunity to others.
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