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Should i have got away from this
MintTrav:
Lucas is totally right. I"m not going to repeat it all cos he has said what I was going to. Read every one of his points carefully.
You need a reason for your bets (and other actions). What did you want him to do - call or fold? He is going to fold a hand worse than yours, so you are ensuring that you don"t get paid for your big hand. If he calls, you are losing. You might force a fold from a pair or draw that would have overtaken you, but that is the only upside - and you don"t need to bet 70k to do that.
As you have posted the question, I guess you"ve realised that you shouldn"t lose all your chips here, so at least you will play it differently the next time.
gerry5421:
--- Quote from: MintTrav on June 03, 2012, 11:21:51 AM ---
Lucas is totally right. I"m not going to repeat it all cos he has said what I was going to. Read every one of his points carefully.
You need a reason for your bets (and other actions). What did you want him to do - call or fold? He is going to fold a hand worse than yours, so you are ensuring that you don"t get paid for your big hand. If he calls, you are losing. You might force a fold from a pair or draw that would have overtaken you, but that is the only upside - and you don"t need to bet 70k to do that.
As you have posted the question, I guess you"ve realised that you shouldn"t lose all your chips here, so at least you will play it differently the next time.
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Thanks , yea i can see that i spent no time in thinking it out , and ultimatley that is my downfall , but as you say will make me stop and think the next time and its all a learning curve , thanks
deanp27:
On my phone so can"t post loads but the hand is played really badly (by villain as well btw) and the flaws in play are pretty fundamental.
I would never 4x pre, even when 300bb deep at the start of a tournament. It is not clear whether you 4x all your opens or whether you reserve this for KK. However you should crave action with KK, not be scared of it. I would only raise 3x maximum but generally a bit smaller but I will open a wider range than you.
The flop kind of smacks a bb peeling range but you should mostly bet this for value as he can still have alot of 1pair hands that you beat However when you jam for 3x pot what sort of weaker hands do you expect villain to call off with? This bet works terribly as a value bet and never works as a bluff as villain will snap your cock off with any 2pair+ hands.
You need to consider what you are trying to achieve in a hand but it appears you are playing scared poker, which says it all when the title of the thread is "should I have got away from this?". In a 40bb tournament situation I am thinking more like, how can I get my opponent to commit alot of chips with a wider range as possible. Just c/bet normally (say10k as played) and play from there. You have position so should generally be able to make good decisions during the hand, you have negated this advantage by shoving the flop.
You didn"t lose the hand because you played it badly, you would have lost anyway, but there are several improvements to be made.
gerry5421:
--- Quote from: deanp27 on June 03, 2012, 11:33:27 AM ---
On my phone so can"t post loads but the hand is played really badly (by villain as well btw) and the flaws in play are pretty fundamental.
I would never 4x pre, even when 300bb deep at the start of a tournament. It is not clear whether you 4x all your opens or whether you reserve this for KK. However you should crave action with KK, not be scared of it. I would only raise 3x maximum but generally a bit smaller but I will open a wider range than you.
The flop kind of smacks a bb peeling range but you should mostly bet this for value as he can still have alot of 1pair hands that you beat However when you jam for 3x pot what sort of weaker hands do you expect villain to call off with? This bet works terribly as a value bet and never works as a bluff as villain will snap your cock off with any 2pair+ hands.
You need to consider what you are trying to achieve in a hand but it appears you are playing scared poker, which says it all when the title of the thread is "should I have got away from this?". In a 40bb tournament situation I am thinking more like, how can I get my opponent to commit alot of chips with a wider range as possible. Just c/bet normally (say10k as played) and play from there. You have position so should generally be able to make good decisions during the hand, you have negated this advantage by shoving the flop.
You didn"t lose the hand because you played it badly, you would have lost anyway, but there are several improvements to be made.
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Some very good stuff here , thanks , the normal pre raise was 3x and yea i guess the 4 x was cause of KK , totally see why c bet and re-evaluate would have worked a lot better , cant really rember what the turn and river turned out , but knoe there were no face cards , so could have proberly figured out on a straight at some point and although losing a chunk of chip , woul dhave still been in tourney.
This is all good guys , thanks
Swinebag:
not read all the replies, so apologies.
4x open is too big 2-2.5x is plenty as it means you can raise lighter with less risk to your stack.
The shove on the board is probably only getting called by better, so you don"t give villains with weaker hands a chance to make a mistake/ pay you off.
In response to your opening question. I don"t think you are getting away from this, but you could have played the hand better as you reduced your chances of winning a big pot at every turn
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