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George2Loose:
Whatever gave you that idea??? ;)

evilpie:

--- Quote from: GiMac on February 13, 2008, 14:32:04 PM ---
I think his play both post and pre-flop is ok. We don"t know what percentage of his stack the 800 was for him to call and whilst you say he doesn"t have the pot odds to call, which is correct, he is getting just over 3:1 to call and he will only hit 7.5:1, it isn"t quite the miracle you precieve it to be. If the flop comes like it has and you have AK or AQ he probably takes the pot down there and then and if you have an overpair to the board he takes all your chips, so the implied odds are definitely there. As I said the only gap in our info here is his stack size, but that aside he isn"t as complete a donkey as he initially looks.

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Alright then maybe miracle was a bit over the top. Perhaps statistically unlikely is a bit closer the mark  ;D

His stack size is there but possibly a bit hidden. He"d put in 1200 pre flop then bet 4000 of his 7k remaining. The 1200 pre flop was about 15% of his stack and he only just had me covered.

I certainly wasn"t calling him a donkey. It was more my play that I was concerned with mainly in how much I raised.

Like George2Loose says it was probably not enough (definitely with hindsight :)).

Even now I don"t know what I should"ve done. If I raise to 2000 then I"m almost committed. My actual raise wasn"t enough to make him fold. Maybe I should have pushed pre flop but that seems a bit risky with 10s.

With hindsight I know I should"ve folded but that would be very weak after that flop. I"m quite a good short stack player (plenty of practice ;D) so the fold wouldn"t have put me in desperation.

Looks like I made a mistake  :-[. I"d probably do the same next time though :)

REvans84:

deanp27:
i"d even consider shoving preflop. With the limper, blinds and antes it will well over 1k to your 7k stack, the 1200 raise is just not enough to get the limper to fold.

Not sure about his play with 22 tbh. At this blind level i am always opening with a raise, otherwise i fold as i think limp/folding, limp/calling/folding is very spewy when playing such hands out of position and is also pretty transparent as a baby pair. However your small raise and the pricing in of the BB makes the limp call viable for him. His bet on the flop is very odd to me, he hits the perfect flop and then pots it, giving you the opportunity to get away from your hand.

IMO you made your mistake preflop by not raising enough.

UKChamp:
1.stack sizes and blinds/pot dictate that if im raising pre I may as well shove.
2.if you want to preserve your stack limping isnt so bad but is obviously a big gamble and my least favourite option - you have to hit to win
3.the limp utg worries me, at this stage i expect a big pair looking for a raise to push against, so i actually dont rule out a fold with so many to act behind assuming u bottle on the push.

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