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Flatting a raise with AA

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mal666:

--- Quote from: George2Loose on June 12, 2012, 20:04:38 PM ---
With so much history why would we flat>>>>3 bet? Surely u have built that dynamic for this very spot?

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The op is saying the dynamic is between him and player A, player B the villain has just witnessed it. (I think)

But yeah just 3b small to induce here.

AAroddersAA:
This looks a simple spot, with this dynamic in play it"s a very straight forward 3-bet isn"t it?

Player B knows that player A is capable of 3-betting him OTB which makes his range stronger. The fact that he has seen you 3-bet fold might make him 4-bet light, although in theory your 3-bet range is a lot stronger vs Hijack compared to against button.

I think you should make your standard size 3-bet, good chance of getting called or raised. I agree with what Steve said.

If you get 4-bet it might well be a shove anyway but if not he is probably commited anyway so 5-bet shove.


--- Quote from: Paulie_D on June 12, 2012, 16:55:29 PM ---
If he flats, I jam any flop and hope he thinks it"s a stop and go.

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We are too deep for that imo. The 3-bet has probably made the pot about 14BB max so we would be shoving about 23BB into 14BB. Can see where Paulie is coming from on this and it is not a bad play at all but I would prefer just trying to make it look like there MIGHT be a bit of fold equity bet 10BB and jam turn if called unless flop is a really unusual texture.

Are there ante"s in play? Doubt it makes any difference if there are or not to be honest.

pokerpops:

--- Quote from: George2Loose on June 12, 2012, 20:04:38 PM ---
With so much history why would we flat>>>>3 bet? Surely u have built that dynamic for this very spot?

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Nail on head I guess. I did 3bet, he folded. I sighed.

noble1:

--- Quote from: david3103 on June 12, 2012, 21:34:59 PM ---

--- Quote from: George2Loose on June 12, 2012, 20:04:38 PM ---
With so much history why would we flat>>>>3 bet? Surely u have built that dynamic for this very spot?

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Nail on head I guess. I did 3bet, he folded. I sighed.

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why give the result so early david?

fwiw it depends on the buy in and the skill std of player B, if your opponent is tight and he"s good enough to realise that u have just adjusted to player B then a 3bet at this eff stack size may get him to fold nearly all but the very top of his range...
if he is a half decent careful type/regular, its hard to see him spazzing off and four betting off with crap here all that often, especially if he views u as a good regular who is anticipating it...

its probably one of those hands where it"d be more beneficial to show some1 the whole replay of the HH where u and player B are at the table together and see if they read the situation differently..

lots of depends as per usual :)

pokerpops:

--- Quote from: noble1 on June 12, 2012, 22:47:13 PM ---

--- Quote from: david3103 on June 12, 2012, 21:34:59 PM ---

--- Quote from: George2Loose on June 12, 2012, 20:04:38 PM ---
With so much history why would we flat>>>>3 bet? Surely u have built that dynamic for this very spot?

--- End quote ---


Nail on head I guess. I did 3bet, he folded. I sighed.

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why give the result so early david?

fwiw it depends on the buy in and the skill std of player B, if your opponent is tight and he"s good enough to realise that u have just adjusted to player B then a 3bet at this eff stack size may get him to fold nearly all but the very top of his range...
if he is a half decent careful type/regular, its hard to see him spazzing off and four betting off with crap here all that often, especially if he views u as a good regular who is anticipating it...

its probably one of those hands where it"d be more beneficial to show some1 the whole replay of the HH where u and player B are at the table together and see if they read the situation differently..

lots of depends as per usual :)

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This specific hand was live DTD £500 WSOP WarmUp - Player A was Alex Goulder, Player B was Jamie Sykes

But I was interested more in the idea of flatting with the top of our range against players who we know to have a wide range for opening.
Do we get value from a lot of c-bets and avoid losing value when the top of our range hits the bottom of ours?
I think, fundamentally, that the answer is rarely, and it is dependent on the dynamic and our relative skills postflop and I also think that for now, I"ll just stick to 3betting the top of my range plus some for balance

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