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Bronze match - please read
AMRN:
--- Quote from: suzanne on September 10, 2012, 01:27:11 AM ---
As you say that then started a trend which was only possible because we were all sat next to each other.
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I don"t think this was something that was reserved for this match only. In the very first week, Dan Owston"s team proved to be excellent exponents of the chip dump, no matter where they sat in relation to each other. I remember Scouse having around 4xBB, and Dan raised to 3.5x UTG.... Scouse shoved in late position, and after the blinds folded, Dan of course folded. This isn"t poor ettiquette, it isn"t cheating, and in my opinion, isn"t even a problem.... it"s a team game where the team has to carry as many people over the line as possible.
If the random seat draw favours a team in a certain situation, they just have to embrace it and use it to their advantage... on the other hand, it"s up to the other team to find a way to exploit it to their own advantage.
MintTrav:
--- Quote from: AMRN on September 10, 2012, 09:07:54 AM ---
This isn"t poor ettiquette, it isn"t cheating, and in my opinion, isn"t even a problem.... it"s a team game where the team has to carry as many people over the line as possible.
If the random seat draw favours a team in a certain situation, they just have to embrace it and use it to their advantage... on the other hand, it"s up to the other team to find a way to exploit it to their own advantage.
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I agree. I have seen people do it in individual events (not talking about APAT), which is pretty grim but in team events I think chip-passing adds to the occasion.
Sugar_Free:
--- Quote from: Curlarge on September 10, 2012, 00:59:50 AM ---These actions were repeated by both teams (we had no choice but to do the same thing tbh) on numerous occasions and for me spoilt the event.
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To be fair it took Soooz a couple of BB folds to Phil"s button raise to realise what we were trying to do. I think in a team game it"s acceptable provided there"s no actual "I"ve got x, so you need to fold your y" talk. Goodness knows how many decent hands Phil folded from the SB or Button but I"m sure you guys were in the same boat.
It was very blatant but like Steve says, if you know what they are going to do you have to use it to your advantage. The round before the "Glenn" hand, Andy and Deb tried to do the same thing for him but a big raise by me meant it didn"t happen and I picked up 2 extra big blinds.
As for us deserving to win, that"s very generous of you. If Glenn"s QQ holds against my 88 then you win by a mile and I think deservedly so.
I think in future for the finals it would be better to maybe have a series of 2 vs 2 games, would be harder to dump and more chance of being sat in alternate seats, making the 8 player tourney a lower percentage of the points.
hi_am_chris:
Not saying it happened and hopefully didn"t but it would be impossible to prove if players were fb or msn messaging each other what hands they have, just a downside of online team play I guess
Spirey:
--- Quote from: Sugar_Free on September 10, 2012, 13:43:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: Curlarge on September 10, 2012, 00:59:50 AM ---These actions were repeated by both teams (we had no choice but to do the same thing tbh) on numerous occasions and for me spoilt the event.
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To be fair it took Soooz a couple of BB folds to Phil"s button raise to realise what we were trying to do. I think in a team game it"s acceptable provided there"s no actual "I"ve got x, so you need to fold your y" talk. Goodness knows how many decent hands Phil folded from the SB or Button but I"m sure you guys were in the same boat.
It was very blatant but like Steve says, if you know what they are going to do you have to use it to your advantage. The round before the "Glenn" hand, Andy and Deb tried to do the same thing for him but a big raise by me meant it didn"t happen and I picked up 2 extra big blinds.
As for us deserving to win, that"s very generous of you. If Glenn"s QQ holds against my 88 then you win by a mile and I think deservedly so.
I think in future for the finals it would be better to maybe have a series of 2 vs 2 games, would be harder to dump and more chance of being sat in alternate seats, making the 8 player tourney a lower percentage of the points.
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I do agree with everything Curlage said there. But we do know the situation before we start. And "chip dumping" weakens a player as much as it strengthens another equally. I do we think we had the run of the cards last night. the 88 beating QQ turned the game and for me i won 2 X dominated whilst ahead and a flip to KO 3 guys. Thats almost unheard of for me after i was 2 outered twice at dtd.
Congratulations to all involved
If poker was always like that it does lose some edge - I agree with Suzanne there. But as a 1 off arrangement for 1 tournament - i thought it was good fun
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