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Seven Card stud "Bring in". Help please.
Matt D:
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Delighted that there is Stud. Really happy about it. Please do it again and every time.
But please put on a proper tournament with a proper structure next time.
I was really looking forward to it, and we get given that.
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What would you change with the structure John ?
Longer levels, more levels. I"m no expert on stud, so bow to others knowledge on this.
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I"ve calmed down now. And I"ve changed my reply, due to Matt's comment. I had assumed that it had been set like that deliberately, cos it was so different to how a Stud tournament normally runs. If that was not the case, why change it so radically from the usual structure?
The biggest difference was that bring-in was 50% of completion. Normally it is 30%. This made a huge difference. Normally a player with a high card showing can take a pot down by completing as the bringer-in has to call 70, with 30 already in. When it is 50 to call, with 50 already in, they are priced in to call. I can"t say for certain that this was a unique innovation, but I have never seen it before.
On subsequent streets, the fixed-limit bets were huge compared to the stacks. From quite early on, getting seriously involved in a pot meant committing your life. There was no room to play through the streets. Raise-folding meant serious damage to your stack, cos the stacks were so shallow.
I see the players still in have more reasonable stacks at this stage, so they may think differently about the tournament but I found it a horrible tournament to play.
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Just setting up the Stud tourney for next week. I"ve watched a couple of Pokerstars tourneys, and the bring-in appears to be 1/3rd (33%) of completion. Is this right?
I"m happy to set up bring-in as 33%, 30% (as suggested above), or 50% (Boss default, though this seems a silly choice).
Swinebag:
Seeing as most whinges complaints on this site are "its not as good as stars" based, I would match their structure.
Matt D:
ty Rob :)
Please can resident Stud Experts take a look at the following:
Here"s the standard Pokerstars Blind Stucture (I think... As a complete Stud n00b if there are any errors, please let me know! I"m a little confused as to why the "antes" are so high compared to the Boss version). It appears "bring-in" is indeed 30% of "complete".
Level Ante Bring-in Interval Break Bet Limit 1 5 7 15 0 25,50 (Fixed Limit) 2 10 15 15 0 50,100 (Fixed Limit) 3 15 24 15 0 75, 150 (Fixed Limit) 4 20 30 15 0 100,200 (Fixed Limit) break 5 30 45 15 0 150,300 (Fixed Limit) 6 40 60 15 0 200,400 (Fixed Limit) 7 60 90 15 0 300,600 (Fixed Limit) 8 80 120 15 0 400,800 (Fixed Limit) break 9 100 150 15 0 500,1000 (Fixed Limit) 10 120 180 15 0 600,1200 (Fixed Limit) 11 160 240 15 0 800,1600 (Fixed Limit) 12 200 300 15 0 1000,2000 (Fixed Limit) break 13 240 360 15 0 1200,2400 (Fixed Limit) 14 320 480 15 0 1600,3200 (Fixed Limit) 15 400 600 15 0 2000,4000 (Fixed Limit) 16 500 750 15 0 2500,5000 (Fixed Limit) break 17 600 900 15 0 3000,6000 (Fixed Limit) 18 800 1200 15 0 4000,8000 (Fixed Limit) 19 1000 1500 15 0 5000,10000 (Fixed Limit) 20 1200 1800 15 0 6000,12000 (Fixed Limit) break 21 1600 2400 15 0 8000,16000 (Fixed Limit) 22 2000 3000 15 0 10000,20000 (Fixed Limit) 23 2400 3600 15 0 12000,24000 (Fixed Limit) 24 3200 4800 15 0 16000,32000 (Fixed Limit) break 25 4000 6000 15 0 20000,40000 (Fixed Limit) 26 5000 7500 15 0 25000,50000 (Fixed Limit) 27 6000 9000 15 0 30000,60000 (Fixed Limit) 28 8000 12000 15 40000,80000 (Fixed Limit) break 29 10000 15000 15 0 50000,100000 (Fixed Limit) 30 12000 18000 15 0 60000,120000 (Fixed Limit)
And below is the standard Boss structure (higher "Bring In", but much lower antes):
Level Ante Bring-in Interval Bet Limit 1 5 13 10 25,50 (Fixed Limit) 2 5 25 10 50,100 (Fixed Limit) 3 10 40 10 80,160 (Fixed Limit) 4 10 50 10 100,200 (Fixed Limit) 5 15 75 10 150,300 (Fixed Limit) 6 20 100 10 200,400 (Fixed Limit) break 7 30 150 10 300,600 (Fixed Limit) 8 40 200 10 400,800 (Fixed Limit) 9 50 250 10 500,1000 (Fixed Limit) 10 60 300 10 600,1200 (Fixed Limit) 11 80 400 10 800,1600 (Fixed Limit) 12 100 500 10 1000,2000 (Fixed Limit) break 13 120 600 10 1200,2400 (Fixed Limit) 14 160 800 10 1600,3200 (Fixed Limit) 15 200 1000 10 2000,4000 (Fixed Limit) 16 250 1250 10 2500,5000 (Fixed Limit) 17 300 1500 10 3000,6000 (Fixed Limit) 18 400 2000 10 4000,8000 (Fixed Limit) break 19 500 2500 10 5000,10000 (Fixed Limit) 20 600 3000 10 6000,12000 (Fixed Limit) 21 800 4000 10 8000,16000 (Fixed Limit) 22 1000 5000 10 10000,20000 (Fixed Limit) 23 1200 6000 10 12000,24000 (Fixed Limit) 24 1600 8000 10 16000,32000 (Fixed Limit) break 25 2000 10000 10 20000,40000 (Fixed Limit) 26 3000 15000 10 30000,60000 (Fixed Limit) 27 5000 25000 10 50000,100000 (Fixed Limit)
HOLDorFOLD:
Thanks for looking at this for us Matt.
I prefer the Stars structure, but maybe because that is what I am used to.
Again, it"s probably best to wait for the Stud experts for their views ... if no one else replies then flip coin ftw ;)
Matt D:
--- Quote from: HOLDorFOLD on October 11, 2012, 12:43:08 PM ---
Thanks for looking at this for us Matt.
I prefer the Stars structure, but maybe because that is what I am used to.
Again, it"s probably best to wait for the Stud experts for their views ... if no one else replies then flip coin ftw ;)
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ha, I"m definitely going to use the Stars structure. I just wanted to make sure I had it 100% correct before sending it off, as the antes look a bit high to me...
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