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Mental Game - The Process Model
VBlue:
--- Quote from: noble1 on November 01, 2012, 13:41:21 PM ---
Its very easy to delude yourself in poker, the luck and variance in poker can mean you might make a terrible play on the river for example bluffing in a spot where your opponent needed to fold 35% but he was actually only folding 10%, he happens to have the very bottom of his range and folds.. I"M A GENIUS we think to ourselves, oh no your not, ""you suck you silly tosser""
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Agreed - variance can easily delude us into thinking we are better than we really are. I hope that by finding the time to really look back through HHs and to perform equity calcs, share hands on forums, etc. will keep me grounded.
VBlue:
--- Quote from: noble1 on November 01, 2012, 13:41:21 PM ---
Now i might be old school in my views on mental clap trap, i think its a load of bollo#ks but heyho if you can make a living peddling this magical cure in the guise of psychology then fine..
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I respect your view, but I am happy that there are enough referees for Jared in the results he has got with his students, some top players incuded, and having attended online skype session with him and got 1:1 online forum feedback from questions posed to him, that he knows his onions and has a lot to contribute to helping me improve my game.
VBlue:
--- Quote from: noble1 on November 01, 2012, 13:41:21 PM ---
Evaluation - How do you evaluate your session performance?
hmmm i constantly think about it during the game and how all my plays knit together both past and future..
from a cash game point of view looking at just one session in isolation is not the best way rather combing through 1000"s of hands and thinking long term is my goal...
Analysis -
What do you analyise?
everything, patterns of play, i try to spot how plays my opponents make in certain situations or certain board textures how this will effect there ranges in other spots, i try to think what they were thinking so i can tune into them if that makes sense? etc etc blah blah
How does it help?
improves my logic and how i view others strategy/level of thinking and understanding of what they are doing so i can make what i hope is the correct adjustment... for example in the games i play metagame implications have an impact so my normal style of play requires me to be able to play any pre or post style comfortably, i always try to stay deceptive in no limit hold"em adding a new gear or two to my game which i hope i can improve a lot as a player, so i experiment a lot [maybe to much sometimes :)] my objective is always to try to make my opponents think they have adjusted to my play, then i switch the gears on them forcing them to play this constant guessing game so that they make plenty of mistakes, well more than that i will make i hope :)
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Loads of good stuff here thanks. Food for thought.
mporter123:
--- Quote from: VBlue on November 01, 2012, 13:41:36 PM ---
Jared advocates that this pre-game preparation is very important and if missed can result in the early part of our session spent warming-up, instead of being warmed up ready to play from the 1st hand, which could cause us value from our session.
I have been working on pre-flop aggression recently, so might have a goal to 4-bet every time I am 3-bet, as I am experimenting with this in my game currently.
It is important that we learn to play in different states and it can be sometimes profitable, if the game is good, to play our B game, or even our C game for a session. Also, to improve our C game and B game we have to focus on the back-end of our skills and playing when we are not at our best can help improve us.
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Is Jared expecting me to run "Rocky like" up some steps before I start every MTT session? This pre-game preparation stuff doesn"t wash with me, we are playing online poker not conducting brain surgery. Do enough to make sure you are comfortable when you are playing is about it.
Arbitrary rules like 4 betting every time somebody 3bets you seems ridiculous and surely is just burning money. I don't know how this is going to help your game.
Rather than improving your B and C game, why don't we just play A game all the time? :)
Do you play cash or MTT"s?
AAroddersAA:
I like Jaffa Cakes but not that big on Digestives. I might buy some Hob-Nobs later as I have never really tried them.
As far as poker goes, yeah The Mental Game of Poker is a book I would not mind reading and I am sure I will do at some point. It has had a lot of good feedback as has Jared Tendler. Not sure what his background as a poker player is (not sure if it matters) but as far as mental game strategy goes he is top notch.
I think Noble got the preparation bit spot on actually. We should play if we feel like playing. There are plenty of other things to do if we don"t feel like playing. I think it links with what I was saying about making sure you are awake and feeling ready before logging on. These have to be sensible parts of what I guess would be mental preparation. Sometime when I miss this out and play when I know I should not be I end up losing at the start of the session and spending the rest of it digging myself out of a hole so what you say is logical. I am guessing it differs for each of us slightly though so we have to find what works best for us.
At the end of a session you know how well you have played. I guess there is nothing wrong with giving yourself a score in a few areas if it helps. I am interested in session goals to be honest, I used to try and give myself goals but have tried not to do that so much and just play each hand on it merit and play for as long as I feel that I am playing well, taking breaks etc as I said.
What do we think are good session goals to have?
I assume the 4-bet every time you are 3-bet was just a hypothetical example. A goal like that should be something like "profitably 4-bet light" as there are spots where you just can"t do it but I see where you are going with the idea of it.
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