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Mental Game - The Process Model
VBlue:
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--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on November 01, 2012, 14:36:24 PM ---
In my opinion both are impossible :-)
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Out of interest, how often would you say that you play your "A" game when you play online? How do you define "A" game?
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I don"t know but you must know what I mean, you just sort of know when you are playing it. The outdraws don"t worry you at all, you have no problem folding when you know the river card has just caused you to go behind and just happily carry on. You feel fresher and are properly focused on the game, you keep making the right plays and don"t get lazy (usually this means just calling to chase draws instead of applying pressure and raising because you can"t be bothered to work out if you should be or not when it is marginal). I will try and post something better later on this as it is a good point.
I don"t think I play my A game more than 50% of the time online or live if I am honest.
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I think this is a good reply. And honest. I probably don"t play my A game more than 50% either, if that.
mporter123:
I am just not sure that a "warm up" would help me. I dont see how it would change the way I play. My goals are longer term focussed. Maybe I am massively deluding myself but I think I play my A game >80% of the time.
The general point I was trying to make is that sometimes there is no need to over complicate poker. The absolute best way to learn initially is to play as much volume as possible and get yourself into lots of spots that make you think. Supplement that with some strategy, reading/videos, PHA boards and your well on your way.
noble1:
--- Quote from: mporter123 on November 01, 2012, 14:25:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: VBlue on November 01, 2012, 13:41:36 PM ---
Jared advocates that this pre-game preparation is very important and if missed can result in the early part of our session spent warming-up, instead of being warmed up ready to play from the 1st hand, which could cause us value from our session.
I have been working on pre-flop aggression recently, so might have a goal to 4-bet every time I am 3-bet, as I am experimenting with this in my game currently.
It is important that we learn to play in different states and it can be sometimes profitable, if the game is good, to play our B game, or even our C game for a session. Also, to improve our C game and B game we have to focus on the back-end of our skills and playing when we are not at our best can help improve us.
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Is Jared expecting me to run "Rocky like" up some steps before I start every MTT session? This pre-game preparation stuff doesn"t wash with me, we are playing online poker not conducting brain surgery. Do enough to make sure you are comfortable when you are playing is about it.
Arbitrary rules like 4 betting every time somebody 3bets you seems ridiculous and surely is just burning money. I don't know how this is going to help your game.
Rather than improving your B and C game, why don't we just play A game all the time? :)
Do you play cash or MTT"s?
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strategy :)
nothing wrong in experimenting if you have some reasoning/logic behind why you are doing it and that you can learn how various players will adjust or view you...
for instance in short handed games with 100bb stacks if 3betting light puts your opponents on tilt, [and is definitely a weapon to use at the tables] but many players overuse it a bit in my opinion, then think what 4betting light will do..
light 3betting became very popular since about 2006 ish and its important to know some ways to combat this technique at 100bb eff, you can 4bet bluff but plan your range so that you call a 5bet shove with a good portion of your bluffs [cos mathematically you will be making a mistake a lot of the time if you are 4-bet/folding hands] so when you happen to 4bet for value with QQ KK AA AKs then your bluffs help cos it doesn"t give away the strength of your hand, this sort of approach is fine for when you are oop.... when we are ip facing a possible light 3bet then its a different ball game @ 100bb eff then you can call a lot more to make handreading more difficult for your opponents, and to avoid the mess of 4-bet/folding incorrectly, playing within this framework we would just call all of our opponents 3bets with our good, excellent, and sometimes speculative (for deception) hands... this makes it difficult for our opponents to know when we have a monster and their mistakes are amplified and hopefully with good reads we minimise our mistakes ;D
say if u played a very loose-aggressive style and u was constantly being 3bet preflop because u was opening with so many hands from all positions then go ahead and shove all in with aces, kings, and ace-rag (suited or unsuited) as long as u perceived the light 3bettor as competent :o and u think villain is reraising u with more than 7.8% of his hands then it will be +ev [do some maths] i mean that 7.8% could look like this 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AQo+ and if your oop only calls the 4bet shove with QQ+ AKs AKo then you"ll print money :) but in game we all know full well they are 3betting all sorts of crap most of which they will have to fold to a push so the shove shows an immediate positive expectation, if villain adjusts and manages a call with 99 for instance and u happen to have A5s even then pretty much you have 30% equity, this style of 4bet shoving play @ 100bb stacks is difficult to adjust to and u will get frequently absurd amounts of action [but be ready for the variance roller coaster and have a good sized bank roll ;)]
just note though u have to get your reads right to make/play this adjustment 8)
Swinebag:
Preparation - My preparation is very important. I make sure my son has been bathed and has gone to sleep. I then prepare a few snacks and a load of drinks. I then run a bath for my wife to make sure it is ready for 55 mins past the hour so I can come up and scrub her back. I then feel ready to bust some major chops on the online felt
Evaluation - I don"t write anything down but I do think through hands and try to make sure I have made the correct decisions during the session. If it is a late session and a decent score then I just think GTFIT - shiiiiip!!!!!!
Analysis - A weakness in my game. I find this too time consuming. I have a job and poker is my hobby. If it was my job and I actually played enough hands/tourneys for analysis to be effective, then I would spend a lot of time on this.
pables:
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Preparation - My preparation is very important. I make sure my son has been bathed and has gone to sleep. I then prepare a few snacks and a load of drinks. I then run a bath for my wife to make sure it is ready for 55 mins past the hour so I can come up and scrub her back. I then feel ready to bust some major chops on the online felt
Evaluation - I don"t write anything down but I do think through hands and try to make sure I have made the correct decisions during the session. If it is a late session and a decent score then I just think GTFIT - shiiiiip!!!!!!
Analysis - A weakness in my game. I find this too time consuming. I have a job and poker is my hobby. If it was my job and I actually played enough hands/tourneys for analysis to be effective, then I would spend a lot of time on this.
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Probably the best post I"ve read for a long while :)
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