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Team Play at The Home Internationals
AceOnTheRiver:
I know this is an oft debated subject but I wanted to start a discussion around "team play" or "soft play" in the MTT element of the Home Internationals ahead of the event itself.
In my opinion the team element takes precedent over anything else and as such certian things which may be perceived as soft play, should be accepted.
For example, when teammates get Heads Up in a pot, then in my opinion no more chips should go into the pot - I just don"t see the point. When there"s a third player involved then it"s business as usual, with no collusion between teammate, which to me should never be allowed or encouraged.
As another example, if a teammate shoves on your BB, when under normal circumstances you would be "priced in" I think you should fold as you either cap your teammate"s points at this stage therefore damaging the team"s overall score or you make a dent in your own stack.
Sometimes the above may be seen as a chip pass but surely if a bigger stack goes, call, call, call, fold then this is more of a chip pass and should not be allowed.
I raise these points now because I want people to see where I"m coming from and encourage debate before the event so that we all go into the tournament with a clear view.
Swinebag:
Poker is not really a team game IMO
So when a team format is introduced then certain rules that are strictly enforced in normal games should be "relaxed"
I think collusion pretty much goes on anyway and as long as it isn"t discussed at the table during a hand then it"s fine.
Typical examples are the example JP gave, plus also raising to fold to a team mates 3 bet no matter the cards/odds. These may not look good, but that"s team poker IMO
Curlarge:
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on November 18, 2012, 22:37:49 PM ---
Poker is not really a team game IMO
So when a team format is introduced then certain rules that are strictly enforced in normal games should be "relaxed"
I think collusion pretty much goes on anyway and as long as it isn"t discussed at the table during a hand then it"s fine.
Typical examples are the example JP gave, plus also raising to fold to a team mates 3 bet no matter the cards/odds. These may not look good, but that"s team poker IMO
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We had this in the online team comp., and as I"ve mentioned previously, it bought the game into disrepute IMHO.
We had 2 players still in, and they had 3, 1 is the short stack and the 2 largest stacks, and obv., this could arise again in Stoke.
On their short stacks BB, their first player makes a big raise and player 2 calls. We both have to pass and the BB shoves. The other 2 players then fold. This allowed the short stack to get right back in the game and completely changed the way the game panned out.
I think we have no choice but to allow this as there is no real way to stop it.
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: Curlarge on November 18, 2012, 23:39:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on November 18, 2012, 22:37:49 PM ---
Poker is not really a team game IMO
So when a team format is introduced then certain rules that are strictly enforced in normal games should be "relaxed"
I think collusion pretty much goes on anyway and as long as it isn"t discussed at the table during a hand then it"s fine.
Typical examples are the example JP gave, plus also raising to fold to a team mates 3 bet no matter the cards/odds. These may not look good, but that"s team poker IMO
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We had this in the online team comp., and as I"ve mentioned previously, it bought the game into disrepute IMHO.
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Totally different though Rich, there is a large individual element to the National League the Home Nations is entirely a team game. There is no personal advantage to knocking out a team mate. I think soft play within the teams should be fine.
Swinebag:
Yep, National league is not a good example due to the individual element. The incident you described rich is OOL in the NL, but would be fine in the home internationals
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