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TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: mporter123 on December 12, 2012, 13:19:05 PM ---
Post flop - Bet, Bet, Bet is my line here.
As played, I am very happily calling the river. Villain sizing is annoying but cannot fold as there are lots of combo"s we beat.
If you are checking these sort of turns then calling down light on the river is not a leak. The leak is missing value from AQ type hands that we can merrily get 3 streets from in these spots.
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All this really has to be read dependent Mark. Against some opponents bet bet bet may be correct but even then, only marginally so.
The nut worst turn would be Qc or Jc, AJ and AQ now beat us and lots of draws get there but the Kc is not far behind as bad turn cards go, QJ was double gutted and got there as did all flushdraws. Thats a large part of even the widest flop calling ranges.
mporter123:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on December 12, 2012, 13:42:45 PM ---
All this really has to be read dependent Mark. Against some opponents bet bet bet may be correct but even then, only marginally so.
The nut worst turn would be Qc or Jc, AJ and AQ now beat us and lots of draws get there but the Kc is not far behind as bad turn cards go, QJ was double gutted and got there as did all flushdraws. Thats a large part of even the widest flop calling ranges.
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Agree about the reads but I do think the default line at Zoom NL10 for this type of hand should be value betting every street. Probs still betting the turn if it comes a Jack or Queen.
Decent hand for villain to float his hands with equity or even small pairs on the flop and bet any river once hero has "given up" on the turn. Hero"s hand looks a lot like a one pair hand on a scary board so have to call river. Just hate the sizing so much but have to sigh it off.
Zoom is great for this - getting solid fundamentals. I am probs wrong but I think the turn is an easy bet and not close.
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: mporter123 on December 12, 2012, 14:14:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on December 12, 2012, 13:42:45 PM ---
All this really has to be read dependent Mark. Against some opponents bet bet bet may be correct but even then, only marginally so.
The nut worst turn would be Qc or Jc, AJ and AQ now beat us and lots of draws get there but the Kc is not far behind as bad turn cards go, QJ was double gutted and got there as did all flushdraws. Thats a large part of even the widest flop calling ranges.
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Agree about the reads but I do think the default line at Zoom NL10 for this type of hand should be value betting every street. Probs still betting the turn if it comes a Jack or Queen.
Decent hand for villain to float his hands with equity or even small pairs on the flop and bet any river once hero has "given up" on the turn. Hero"s hand looks a lot like a one pair hand on a scary board so have to call river. Just hate the sizing so much but have to sigh it off.
Zoom is great for this - getting solid fundamentals. I am probs wrong but I think the turn is an easy bet and not close.
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Completely agree with this really good point.
A bet is better than a check I think (but it is close), simply because he can have lot"s of hands where he is holding a single club, there are other draws out as well. A good rule that myself and David3101 were discussing elsewhere was at these stakes, with top pair good kicker, bet until they raise - then fold. Obviously it is not this simple always but it is not bad for a default. A lot of people are starting to raise flush draws on the flop now as well.
In this case bet, bet, bet is quite marginal, although if he just calls the turn and checks the river we can bet out feeling very confident we are good. Therefore betting the turn gives us potentially a lot of extra value against a lot of hands that are not a flush. We also fold out a lot of hands we beat but this is not something we should be worrying about too much in this spot.
I agree a turn card of Jc or Qc is a check as they are so bad for our hand and smash his range so much making him all kinds of hands that now beat us.
AMRN:
Brendan, not sure if you have played much on the Zoom tables. Whilst I agree that it is not poker in the classical sense, and we forego many of the opportunities for read based play that separate the fish from the decent players, I"m rapidly finding that Zoom has it"s place. It"s not normal poker, and I can"t abide NLHE Zoom..... but PLO Zoom is proving to be one of the easiest ways to make money I"ve found in a while, simply by seeing lots of flops and betting for value when we hit against people who in the main can"t fold single pair hands and will stack off 100x. I see some of the Zoom regs at 25PL, often sitting with stacks around $250...... we don"t see that with such regularity on the normal tables.
noble1:
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see if any part of this gives u any ideas to add to your strategy rodders...
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