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MonkeyMagic:
Um, I haven"t received word that it"s our team (NWU), but I heard that there was a discussion about an incident.  Well, our opponents last night weren"t shy about declaring "team folding" when one of them said they"d folded A/K, and that that "was the second time".  Had they won though, there wouldn"t have been complaints by us, as I thought this was a team competition.  I certainly have sacrificed playing optimally for the sake of extra points.  So is that cheating, too?

EDIT: They folded it when their teammate was all-in.  I never thought much of it until later, when I heard someone was bitching about us.

EDIT 2: Team folding and letting someone have chips they probably wouldn"t have had is exactly the same as chip dumping.  So after all those folders have been sanctioned, I look forward to the 1v2 or 1v1 semi-finals coming up.

Chipaccrual:
This has been debated on numerous occasions on the forum, and has been left at the fact that we appreciate soft play will take place between team mates, but that collusion and chipdumping is against not only the network rules, but also the spirit in which these games are meant to be played.

Clearly from the responses so far, many feel this should not be the case when it comes to team events.

We spent a considerable amount of time last night and today debating this, but I will post up the hand in question so as to be completely transparent with this issue.  The two players involved were on the same team.

started: 03 March 2013 21:15:56
APAT Nat Cup 5 (Real /Tournament )
Seat 1: (7015.00)
Seat 2: (11528.00)
Seat 3: (Empty)
Seat 4: (1662.00)
Seat 5: (5419.00)
Seat 6: (Empty)
Seat 7: (11971.00)
Seat 8: (4908.00)
Seat 9: (3932.00)
Seat 10(27747.00)

Seat 5 is Dealer

Seat 1 post Ante 25.00
Seat 2 post Ante 25.00
Seat 4 post Ante 25.00
Seat 5 post Ante 25.00
Seat 7 post Ante 25.00
Seat 8 post Ante 25.00
Seat 9 post Ante 25.00
Seat 10 post Ante 25.00
Seat 7 post SB 100.00
Seat 8 post BB 200.00

** Deal **

*** Bet Round 1 ***
Seat 9 Fold
Seat 10 Fold
Seat 1 Fold
Seat 2 Call 200.00
Seat 4 Raise to 1636.00
Seat 5 Fold
Seat 7 Call 1636.00
Seat 8 Fold
Seat 2 Fold

*** Flop(Board): *** : [7h, 8s, Qs]

*** Bet Round 2
Seat 7 Fold

*** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 3872.00
Seat 4 By default Win: 3872.00

Hand ended: 03 March 2013 21:16:59

DodgyEnd (Tom APAT.be):
I also thought this would be about 2 of our players... where they get all in when 1 player has 8 BBs left.
Clearly this is about another hand and this is something completely different!!

Curlarge:
Standard way to chip dump obv.

MonkeyMagic:
Yeah, it"s a bad case, that one.. in the end though, it"s one type of chip re-allocation among many different types.  In our case, I know nothing has been pre-arranged, except for just the obvious "don"t go mad against each other, if you can help it".

Hard to imagine there isn"t collusion going on in this, and hard to know how to stop it.  Having said that, now it"s down to 4 teams, I wonder if there might be a review of random hands to see if anything unusual crops up.  I know it won"t be us, unless you guys have excluded me.

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