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APAT National Online Cup - Enter A Team
DodgyEnd (Tom APAT.be):
What is soft play and what is not... so in team events you can"t exclude this form of soft play. Hell, everybody has had a hand like that in this past few weeks, no doubt.
The example here is clearly chip dumping with 1 player having only 30 chips left... If he would be all in preflop and his team mate calls and wins the hand, there is no discussion at all!
HOLDorFOLD:
--- Quote from: MonkeyMagic on March 04, 2013, 17:49:02 PM ---
Yeah, it"s a bad case, that one.. in the end though, it"s one type of chip re-allocation among many different types. In our case, I know nothing has been pre-arranged, except for just the obvious "don"t go mad against each other, if you can help it".
Hard to imagine there isn"t collusion going on in this, and hard to know how to stop it. Having said that, now it"s down to 4 teams, I wonder if there might be a review of random hands to see if anything unusual crops up. I know it won"t be us, unless you guys have excluded me.
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Yes please ... do this ... but not random hands please pick the THREE hands that my team member shoved on my BB when I was the SS, and the same team member knocking out one of his team ;-) Giggle .... doing anything I can here to push those guilt buttons to ensure I get a huge huge cuddle (and a drink or two) in Nottingham ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-*
Joking aside, I mention this situation to show where teams are not constantly chip dumping/soft playing and the same goes for the team concerned where I am sure they were also playing competitively with each other at stages as well ... but I doubt anyone reported those hands :-\
(stepping away from thread now ... just really sad to hear two people were DQ"d and if I am totally honest quite shocked that someone in an APAT "TEAM" game, actually went as far as reporting it)
galo5767:
I think the lesson to be learned here is - although we all know soft play etc etc goes on, don"t make it blatantly obvious. I dont think anyone would like to be on the receiving end of a play like that, whatever the circumstances. Having said that, by disqualifying the people involved I do think we are opening up a can of worms that will indeed lead to much much more aggro. Wouldnt a warning or points reduction suffice.
Des:
We generally favour giving the benefit of doubt to players where we can but felt that in this particular case, the chip dumping was so visible, that we couldn"t not take action.
As it transpires, the decision to disqualify two players did not impact the match result - but it will disadvantage one team for the next stage of the event as obviously they"ve lost the services of two of their six players.
Of course we also want to ensure that no players become banned by the network fraud team for this type of play. Ultimately we"re playing a real money game and APAT would have little say if such deliberate chip dumping was identified and the players subsequently banned from the network and all of our activity.
All in all, the decision wasn"t taken lightly. Removing players from an event is always a very difficult decision for APAT and I can count on the fingers of one hand the instances of us having to do it previously live or online.
I hope the players can understand our dilemma and support the decision, albeit we accept it will not be popular.
As always, we"re here to learn alongside you guys.
GiMac:
Tbh if they are on the same team, then it really isn"t a problem. The only time I would have a problem is if some random individual dumped to someone to help give a friends team an unfaor advantage. But this is a team event primarily and to try and eradicate soft play or chip dumping is just plain silly and if anyone thinks they can then they are living in a dream world, cos I can give you examples of EVERY team, yes EVERY team, who has soft played or chip dumped at some point or another during this league. So you might as well DQ everyone. To say it isn"t happening or can be policed in some way or another is crazy, because you would end up with nobody left in the team game.
Tbh it is probably to our team"s advantage that the said players are disqualified but I for one think that is wrong and would not be against them being re-instated.
Also this is a private event and it"s a team event, so to quote network rules which plainly apply to "normal" MTT poker is also wrong imho, it"s our rules that should take precedent in a private event.
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