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GiMac:
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on March 07, 2013, 13:51:21 PM ---
If you fold AK, that is up to you, say you want to avoid a race. Simple. There is a huge difference between this, and the example that was shown, but people are merging the 2 into one.
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And that is why, justifiably imho, people are requesting clarification. You think there is a huge difference, we think there is a huge difference, but do the rules allow for this leeway or is it black and white? Of course if it is the black and white option then it"s team poker Jim but not as we know it. ;)
[ ] Finally gets the point
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: GiMac on March 07, 2013, 14:08:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on March 07, 2013, 13:51:21 PM ---
If you fold AK, that is up to you, say you want to avoid a race. Simple. There is a huge difference between this, and the example that was shown, but people are merging the 2 into one.
--- End quote ---
And that is why, justifiably imho, people are requesting clarification. You think there is a huge difference, we think there is a huge difference, but do the rules allow for this leeway or is it black and white? Of course if it is the black and white option then it"s team poker Jim but not as we know it. ;)
[ ] Finally gets the point
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A more realistic example may be that our team is in the final of this league thingy we are playing (well the rest of the team are playing I am just along for the ride it seems lol). Anyway imagine this scenario
It is the final table and our opponents have two players left as do we, at the moment the points are pretty even, Gordon has a massive stack and I have 3BB but the other two players from the other team have even smaller stacks and are going to be forced all-in in their blinds. Gordon finds AA (he is REALLY good at this) and shoves as the other players left to act have small stacks. It folds to me in the BB where I have JJ, I have 2BB left in my stack this a call as clear as day but in this spot due to the team element and dynamic it is actually a fold. This is not an unrealistic possibility. I don"t want to be knocked out before them as one of them will probably go out before me and then Gordon just has to outlast the other one assuming one survives. If I get knocked out they may be able to ladder a few places and beat us.
This is where we need the clarity can I fold this hand in this spot. It make perfect sense to do it in a team setting but in a normal tournament it is a snap call. Everybody seems to be saying it is obviously OK for me to fold here but are we sure about that?
AMRN:
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on March 07, 2013, 14:38:49 PM ---
A more realistic example may be that our team is in the final of this league thingy we are playing (well the rest of the team are playing I am just along for the ride it seems lol). Anyway imagine this scenario
It is the final table and our opponents have two players left as do we, at the moment the points are pretty even, Gordon has a massive stack and I have 3BB but the other two players from the other team have even smaller stacks and are going to be forced all-in in their blinds. Gordon finds AA (he is REALLY good at this) and shoves as the other players left to act have small stacks. It folds to me in the BB where I have JJ, I have 2BB left in my stack this a call as clear as day but in this spot due to the team element and dynamic it is actually a fold. This is not an unrealistic possibility. I don"t want to be knocked out before them as one of them will probably go out before me and then Gordon just has to outlast the other one assuming one survives. If I get knocked out they may be able to ladder a few places and beat us.
This is where we need the clarity can I fold this hand in this spot. It make perfect sense to do it in a team setting but in a normal tournament it is a snap call. Everybody seems to be saying it is obviously OK for me to fold here but are we sure about that?
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Bad example Steve. You would fold JJ in this spot all day long in a satellite (and probably KK too) - you may even fold it on the bubble of a tourney if the min cash was significant to you.... this one is not specific to team dynamics. So, my point is that the network software would not throw this up as soft play, hence it would never be an issue.
Fatcatstu:
--- Quote from: GiMac on March 07, 2013, 14:08:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on March 07, 2013, 13:51:21 PM ---
If you fold AK, that is up to you, say you want to avoid a race. Simple. There is a huge difference between this, and the example that was shown, but people are merging the 2 into one.
--- End quote ---
And that is why, justifiably imho, people are requesting clarification. You think there is a huge difference, we think there is a huge difference, but do the rules allow for this leeway or is it black and white? Of course if it is the black and white option then it"s team poker Jim but not as we know it. ;)
[ ] Finally gets the point
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If 2 people hadn"t been stupid, would this conversation ever be happening?
APAT have never done anything about "soft play" and I would imagine that if no one does anything stupid like complaining about it, that will stay the same!!!
I really don"t think it is me that is missing the point
AMRN:
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on March 07, 2013, 15:04:28 PM ---
If 2 people hadn"t been stupid, would this conversation ever be happening?
APAT have never done anything about "soft play" and I would imagine that if no one does anything stupid like complaining about it, that will stay the same!!!
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^^This
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