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Butchering it at APAT Team Champs
pokerpops:
I"m really unsure about this hand from both sides of the table
a bit of history first
I had four players to my left who were very capable of folding pre flop and I did my best to take advantage of this. I got resistance from Paulie_D in one hand where I raised Ad Kd, he 3bet, I 4bet, he 5bet and I opted to flat with a view to folding on any board that didn"t have either two Kings, three diamonds, a flopped straight or some very tempting combo of the three. 2h 3c 4s didn"t meet any of those requirements. Paulie showed his AA
I had 3bet Glenn Laming when he opened for the 4th or 5th time in the first orbit and had to show down my deuce four when it hit runner runner to make a straight.
Most of the pots I"ve won haven"t been to showdown, but those that I"ve won at showdown have been with "ahem" less than premium hands. The deuce four, and a rather splendid Q6 that flopped a pair (I had raised pre and bet this flop), I checked the A turn as did my opponent, and bet the Q river to get paid. The deuce four hand had a similar bet flop, check turn, bet river flow.
It was, by no means, a soft table. But I was feeling comfortable on it and chipping up pretty well
So, to the hand in question.
Blinds 100/200/25
Button is seat 9
folds to me in seat 6
I open [xx] to 450 from around 28k
BB min 3bets to 700 from around 25k
folds to me
I pull back the two 25 chips and throw in a 500 intending to min raise back, as I do so my brain recalculates and I realise that a min 4bet is 950 so throw the two 25s back in
BB asks for a ruling as to whether I have raised or called. It"s agreed that the raise stands, he flats.
Flop (2350) Ac Kc Qs
He checks - I bet 1400, he calls
Turn (5150) 3h (I think - it may have been something else totally blank)
he checks, I check behind
River (5150) Jd
he checks....
I"m very sure his min 3bet isn"t with anything massive here. His attempt to avoid having to call a raise pre suggests he was just showing resistance to my perceived aggression. I think he can have an Ace, but it"s not AK/AQ/AJ/A10. He leads with all of those on the flop turn and river. He can have a pair in the 55 -99 range, I am pretty sure he doesn"t have 10 10 he leads that on the river to avoid a check behind.
BUT. I don"t have an Ace. I do have a queen...
Sigh give up? Bet? If yes, how much.
I"m anticipating mostly "sigh give up" answers.
Fatcatstu:
--- Quote from: david3103 on January 29, 2013, 11:27:32 AM ---
I had four players to my left who were very capable of folding pre flop and I did my best to take advantage of this. I got resistance from Paulie_D in one hand where I raised Ad Kd, he 3bet,
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Fold at this point.
Hand in question, there is 5k in the middle and the blinds are at 100/200. Why put anymore chips in when you are only getting called if you are beat, and if you are winning you take down a sizeable pot in a deepstack competition with loads of play left? But you know this anyway...
Chipaccrual:
Not sure on the hand, but I think the ruling is out of this world. :D :D :D :D :D
pokerpops:
--- Quote from: Chipaccrual on January 29, 2013, 11:40:56 AM ---
Not sure on the hand, but I think the ruling is out of this world. :D :D :D :D :D
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Ruling was perfect.
Shouldn"t have been needed tbh - I should have 4bet bigger, his "click back" smelt wrong when he did it, and smelt even more dodgy when he tried to get my raise cancelled.
AMRN:
You"ve got showdown value with third pair, and there are so many marginal hands that he check/calls with that have you beat. I like to bet for thin value, but in this spot I probably just check behind and expect to win some of the time at showdown, and to lose to a random ace a lot of the time. After the line of check/call on flop, the check/check on turn, I can"t see him check/folding the river - he could easily hero call with a very marginal hand... and still have you beat.
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