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KK 3 BET (FLATTED) IN POS LINE ON AJX - MTT PRE ANTES

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PRThomas:
Hi,

Stack sizes 40x effective.

So you have KK in cut off, facing a HJ 3x open, you make it 8x, which is flatted.

Flop comes down AJX rainbow.

Whats your best line here,

CBET fold/shut down is main consensus?

AAroddersAA:
What are the blinds and ants any stats or reads on player?

pokerpops:
Bet, probably 40% ish of pot - there"s a lot of smaller pairs in villain"s range.

Fold to a raise, check back turn, fold if he leads out (unless it"s a K obviously)

Probably have to call a river bet if the board bricks out, but not liking it much

AAroddersAA:

--- Quote from: david3103 on February 04, 2013, 10:41:47 AM ---
Bet, probably 40% ish of pot - there"s a lot of smaller pairs in villain"s range.

Fold to a raise, check back turn, fold if he leads out (unless it"s a K obviously)

Probably have to call a river bet if the board bricks out, but not liking it much



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Does he not fold most of them if we bet?

AMRN:
It"s easy to be scared of a flopped A when we have KK, however need to understand how many Aces villain has in his range that he"s willing to call a 3bet out of position with.   If he opens with AK from a stack of 40x, is he likely to 4bet shove over your 3bet, or is he a conservative or trappy player?  If he opens with A2-AQ, is he likely to be bad enough to flat call oop - imo most decent players would fold or shove in that spot from a 40x stack, and flatting with a hand that might be crushed is sub-optimal.   Factor in how many times he opens with a smaller pair, or suited connectors, and then calls your 3b with implied odds.

So, assuming he is a good player (good or bad assumption, but without any other reads, I"ll assume worst case and that he"s good), the sort of range I would expect him to open, then call a 3bet out of position with (even though implied odds are wrong for set mining in your example), might be AK, 22-TT (assuming he 4bets JJ+) and a whole ruck of suited connectors.....  not too many Aces in that range, and for this reason, I try not to be overly afraid of the Ace on the flop. In fact, if we are able to peg him as a good player, there should be very few Aces in his oop 3bet calling range)

That said though, if you have reason to believe is anything other than a good player, his range probably leans toward most Aces.

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