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AMRN:
There was a lot of discussion about the format for the cash championship, and whether or not it would work as an event. I had views on this before the event, and had no intention of playing it - I"ve never been a cash player, and when I do play cash I tend to see the monetary value of the chips, and this restricts my ability to play "proper poker".

I only played this event on Saturday as I had profit from the previous night, and the main event was going horribly wrong for me. I treated the buy in as a tournament buy in, and as such was able to divorce myself from the cash value of the chips, and was able to play effectively.

The tournament approach in the first three hour session made for some great spots that just never really materialise in a cash game, where people were gambling to try and create big stacks.... and that others knew this was happening and were calling pretty light, which made for some great squeezing opportunities.

The restriction of the reload (could only reload when felted) made it less like a cash game as people with under £40 were searching for spots to gamble with any two cards knowing that if they lost they could then get back to a £100 stack.... I got lucky in that every time 40x stacks shoved, I had reasonable hands to call/isolate with, and was able to hoover up those short stacks.   If this event runs again (which it must!), I suspect there will be calls to have the reload split into 25% chunks that can be used as top ups rather than as a single reload when felted..... this will make the game more akin to a cash game, which is probably the right thing to do, BUT the single reload approach certainly opened up some really interesting scenarios.

Having got a FT stack, the chance to play super deep stacked cash for an affordable buy in was awesome.   Some on the final table were playing it as a rake free cash game, whilst the others were playing for the win - it was no surprise that these were the biggest stacks at the end.  The tournament approach, and the added value ISPT seat, made for some great pressure points during that final table.  People had to balance the winner takes all mentality of the title and added value for first place, with the risk of losing several hundred pounds of real hard cash.

On our starting table, we were trying to decide if we were playing cash or tournament.... we agreed that we were playing "cash-ish" (not to confused with certain substances that seemed to grab Laxie"s attention).

Obviously pleased that I managed to get into this (with less than 5 minutes to spare), and just hope that it gets repeated at future events. APAT continues to break ground, and I really do see mileage in this concept.

AMRN:

--- Quote from: s4ooter on April 02, 2013, 13:32:01 PM ---
I played it and throughly enjoyed it but would only change one thing.

Players that haven"t taken there £100 reload should be able to do so when the play ends but BEFORE the FT starts.
An example from the event.  Chinese Frankie has used his reload and is in for £200 total, he finished on £280ish.  Im in for £100 and finish on £237....im not sure how he has performed better than myself in this situation as my profit is higher.

If your all allowed to use your 2nd £100 as an "add-on" after the 1st 3 hrs of play (but before the chipcounts are done) then it allows everyone to be in the same boat, and the true top 8 can be determined.

Maybe im bitter as Ian Gacoignes crazy last hand helped him pip me by £11 to the FT, idk, but just think it has to be level.

Great event tho

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The chip counts were done, and the final eight announced.... those in the final eight that had a reload card intact could then use it as an add-on.

I agree that the chip count should be done AFTER the add-on is purchased though.... someone who has £300 from a £100 buy in has surely done better than someone who has £301 from a £200 buy in.

s4ooter:

--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on April 02, 2013, 13:47:04 PM ---
I think Dann makes a very good point here. The players who have not rebought should have the option to do so as this may create a deeper final table. I assume the reason for taking the biggest stack through is to create a deeper final table, allowing people to use their reload at the end of the first period would also achieve this objective.

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True but i still had a reload and Frankie didnt, so if i was allowed to take mine at the end of the 3hrs i would have more money infront of me than him, and therefore more money would be on the FT.

Still, its only a tweek from an enjoyable event.  The only avoidable part was that it was going to be filled with DTD Cash regs playing rake free, which it was, so it was nice to see that the medals went to players that were interested in the prestigue and not the £££

AAroddersAA:

--- Quote from: s4ooter on April 02, 2013, 13:58:27 PM ---

--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on April 02, 2013, 13:47:04 PM ---
I think Dann makes a very good point here. The players who have not rebought should have the option to do so as this may create a deeper final table. I assume the reason for taking the biggest stack through is to create a deeper final table, allowing people to use their reload at the end of the first period would also achieve this objective.

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True but i still had a reload and Frankie didnt, so if i was allowed to take mine at the end of the 3hrs i would have more money infront of me than him, and therefore more money would be on the FT.

Still, its only a tweek from an enjoyable event.  The only avoidable part was that it was going to be filled with DTD Cash regs playing rake free, which it was, so it was nice to see that the medals went to players that were interested in the prestigue and not the £££

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Yes, that"s what I said :-)

As for the DTD regs, they made for a good game but I would like to see the next one at a smaller event like maybe Coventry? If it is possible reduce the buyin down (the entry could remain £10) but make it 25p/50p for three hours and then 50p/£1 for the final. This would encourage more people to play it and see how great of a format it is. If it was the side event to one of the APAT events that would be ideal really as you don;t want to create a side event that is too expensive. Getting tables full of APAT regs here would be ideal and would add a lot to the event.

I think this would get a lot of people interested in this format and once they play it I think they will want to see more of them. This format and buyin level could become the norm at WCOAP and ECOAP.

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