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Season Seven Seat Reservation
AMRN:
The membership idea probably needs a little more exploration - it"s far better than the £5 fee idea (in my humble opinion)...... however, creating tiered membership would only serve to confirm the clique nature of APAT that many people claim. And I also see it as a potential "put off" for anyone finding APAT for the first time....
AJDUK:
Paulie. Can I respectfully say that we really should hear a little less from you in responding to people"s points. I"m not convinced you have the inside track on these issues*, and from my own perspective it"s Des I"d like to hear the answers from since it is he that asked the questions. Many of us can work out for ourselves where the issues probably lie, but we need to hear it from the big dog himself.
Keep the ideas flowing people, there"s a small chance one of us will hit upon something Des hasn"t thought of!
*apologies if you do
Curlarge:
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--- Quote from: Paulie_D on May 31, 2013, 10:52:45 AM ---
Just for my education, how do Genting, G etc. manage their tour buy-ins? Do they just swallow the transaction fees or do they do something different?
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Whenever I have bought in, it"s been the buy in plus reg fee and that"s it.
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Yeah, but do they do it through a poker client or online reg via a 3rd party etc.?
I assume the former?
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you are correct in that assumption or YES ;D
Curlarge:
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--- Quote from: SirPercival on May 31, 2013, 09:17:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on May 31, 2013, 05:42:39 AM ---
--- Quote from: Curlarge on May 31, 2013, 01:20:27 AM ---
As has been said, it"s usually "the earlier you book, the cheaper it is", (i.e. hotels, holidays, season tickets etc...)
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Rich.
As I pointed out this isn"t a proper comparison.
All of those other places require you to pay the full amount up front...APAT isn"t suggesting that and, apparently, there are considerable costs (one way or another) in doing it that way.
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Paulie you have said this a couple of times now but I"m sorry it"s just not true. I have booked many hotels and holidays where I don"t pay up front and have the option of canceling (at a price) if things change.
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I don"t know of any hotel, airline etc. that will let me pay a tiny fee and GUARANTEE me a room, seat etc. with an option NOT to pay if I don"t turn up.
Many hotels will offer a reduced charge for a non-refundable booking but this isn"t an option here. There is a known FIXED cost (£82.50) and APAT can"t reduce that for early buy-in.
Apples & Oranges.
APAT are offering a unique (AFAIK) "service" here, a guaranteed seat reservation without full up-front payment.
Do I like having to pay the extra £5 a time...absolutely not and I recognise and understand the objections (some of which I agree with) but it looks something has to change.
I prefer the membership idea. If you make the perks at say a "Premium" Level a number of guaranteed seats (or even all of them) and, say, a small discount at the APAT shop etc. etc. I think a lot of regs would jump on board and people new to APAT could opt for lower levels.
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Well, and only as an example, Harrahs charge for one night when you make your initial reservation, and then you pay the balance when you get there. This is fully re-fundable if you cancel 24 hours in advance.
Des:
--- Quote from: AJDUK on May 31, 2013, 11:53:47 AM ---
Paulie. Can I respectfully say that we really should hear a little less from you in responding to people"s points. I"m not convinced you have the inside track on these issues*, and from my own perspective it"s Des I"d like to hear the answers from since it is he that asked the questions. Many of us can work out for ourselves where the issues probably lie, but we need to hear it from the big dog himself.
Keep the ideas flowing people, there"s a small chance one of us will hit upon something Des hasn"t thought of!
*apologies if you do
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Can I go under the title BDawg now? Seems fashionable....
Paulie is actually doing a pretty good job of keeping the discussion going, and a lot of his responses are along the lines of what I would say - which isn"t always the case with Paulie! ;)
As I"ve said before, the key consideration is to keep the events on sale for as long as possible, because that"s in everyone"s interest. However, as soon as you add any online transactional element that includes making a payment to the casino, that adds two plus weeks of red tape and the events have to come offline. So for example "I"m happy to pay £5 but can it go towards my reg fee at the casino, and I"m happy to forfeit it if I can"t make the event?" A perfectly reasonable suggestion, but it means we"d have to get the money to the casino, cue the two week process.
It"s clear there"s quite a lot of mixed feelings towards the £5 reservation fee, which ultimately means APAT would not put the idea into practice.
We can look at introducing membership fees or some of the other ideas suggested if that approach is more palatable to players, and utilise that money to cover off the seat reservation merchandising fees. But ultimately we need to simply and cost efficiently allow players to get into the events. That"s the big picture here.
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