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Season Seven Seat Reservation
Des:
--- Quote from: AMRN on June 02, 2013, 00:02:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: Supernova on June 02, 2013, 00:00:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: Des on June 01, 2013, 15:18:26 PM ---
We"ve had a disappointing situation here at Wembley, with only around 50 of the 80 odd players on the this morning"s reserve list turning up by kick off. Not good for our credibility with DTD I"m afraid, who had already allocated APAT the smallest pod as to quote one of the managers "we know what your players are like". I"d prefer if we had more options available, but I feel we"re being pushed into a corner on this with an outcome like today and we may well need you guys to work with us on this going forward.
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FWIW It"s disappointing but for me, both this event & the main event was way out of my bankroll & expenses. It"s sad because it"s a great idea but surely this was aimed at the grass roots to create the volume & sadly the cost was not grassroots imo.
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It was out of my bankroll also..... however I think Des" point is not that they struggled to get the numbers... it"s more to do with the fact that 80 people reserved seats on the thread, but then only 50 of them turned up on the day.........
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Correct, I"m definitely not disappointed with the numbers overall...the prize pool is larger than a typical 200 runner APAT, my concern was more that people who had a change of heart or plans, could have taken their name off the reserve list by Friday night. That would have enabled us to know where we are and communicate accurately to DTD. As it were, they weren"t confident enough to give us anything other than the smallest pod on the field and as we approached the event start they were asking questions about where the additional 30 players were and we were left scratching our heads. Not that comfortable a position to be in.
Des:
--- Quote from: AMRN on June 02, 2013, 11:10:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on June 02, 2013, 09:11:42 AM ---
Whilst the system is people can reserve a seat by posting their name on a forum and then not turn up with no penalty at all then this is always going to happen, it is just the reality unfortunately. DTD are correct that this is not really an acceptable situation and will hurt APAT's credibility with the casino"s which is something that must not happen. You cannot tell venues that you will have 80 players turn up and then only have 50.
APAT therefore have to protect themselves and their customers and until something better is suggested I would say the reservation charge is the way to go to prevent this happening. I can"t really see a better solution,people are not obliged to use it but it would prevent this situation.
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Obviously something needs to change - I don"t think anyone suggests otherwise...... however, I think the feeling is generally against charging a fee. I would be happy to make a commitment ahead of time when reserving a seat, but believe that this should be a deposit (non refundable).... so if it"s a £5 charge, that needs to then be discounted from the final price.
I suspect that new players looking for their first steps on the tour would be far more amenable to paying a deposit as opposed to have to pay an additional fee.
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Your suggestion means the £5 would need to be forwarded to the casino Steve, and that would need to happen two weeks before kick off and the event taken off sale at that point.
Des:
--- Quote from: Laxie on June 02, 2013, 11:45:54 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mikeyboy9361 on June 02, 2013, 11:41:24 AM ---
Very disappointing I agree, but why was this such a high buy in? I am sure regular APATers would have loved the chance to be part of this fantastic occasion, and made it a sell out.
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Very much agree with this. No way our house could afford two buy ins at yesterday"s level so didn"t even consider it. However, if it had been normal APAT buy in, we"d have struggled to miss such a special occasion.
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We couldn"t have held the event with the typical APAT buy in...the option wasn"t there. As it is we have the cheapest event of the 15 at Wembley and we worked very hard to get the two prime days of Saturday and Sunday. However we knew the buy in would be out of the range of many of the members but still felt it important to be here for all sorts of reasons. We also knew that a percentage of our players would be interested in playing at the higher buy in, as has been seen here and at DTD. However, we"ve also added the next APAT event in the same month, possibly a first for separate Championships, as we wanted everyone to have an event available at the start of season seven. If it had been possible however, we would definitely have run this event with the standard APAT buy in.
Curlarge:
Had an interesting chat with Rob Yong whilst standing in the queue to buy-into the event yesterday. He said he couldn"t understand why they hadn"t just put an entry holding tank on their poker site and we all just bought in there, which is pretty much what I had suggested as an option earlier on here.
Seems it is do-able from their point of view.
Des:
--- Quote from: Laxie on June 01, 2013, 15:26:04 PM ---
Maybe a system of fines for people who reserve and then cancel? If they fail to pay the fine, they lose their right to reserve in future. That way you"re not penalising everyone who turned up.
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I just don"t think this works Dawn. Can you imagine the team and I starting off next week by chasing down 30 players to pay a fine? We"d become a police state overnight and that"s the last thing we want.
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