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dwh103:
Definite contradiction in saying you don"t want to bloat the pot OOP on the flop...but you"ve 3bet pre with a horrible hand to 3b OOP with. Only serves to let him fold all the hands you have dominated and he"ll peel anything with decent implied odds, most of which you"re not massively ahead of.
As played, cbet flop, fold turn, and a donk to rep a flush doesn"t really hold much weight given you"ve checked flop. Had the hand played out differently there"d be no harm in trying to play off the older gentleman stereotype (;)), but you just can"t rep anything.
For the river I"m most likely to check/fold, I might find a hero depending on mood/Villains bet sizing - your range is so weak it"s a comfortable bet with all his air.
AMRN:
What was the reason for 3betting preflop? I can"t see that it serves any purpose other than to bloat the pot out of position against a good player.
If we are doing it to take the initiative and the betting lead in the hand, why would we then give that away by checking the flop? If we"re only c-betting the flops we hit, 3betting out of position preflop is spewy.
Against this player and in this situation, I prefer to call pre, and check/fold the flop. Surely there are better spots at the table to get involved than oop against a good player?? ............And yes I get your comment about testing yourself to improve, however that doesn"t mean we should just give the better player our money, which is what"s going to happen most of the time in this spot. Would much rather test myself against him when I have the button.
Fatcatstu:
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--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on July 05, 2013, 11:42:02 AM ---
Personally dont see the need to call his turn bet, you are basically trying to out play the best player at the table, no?
Get in as few spots with him as possible, and when you get in them ,make sure you have the equipment to fight back.
I check and fold.
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If we don"t test ourselves occasionally we don"t improve.
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If we call OOP with marginal/bad hands against a good player, we lose money 90% of the time.
I"m all for playing creatively, but surely part of being a good player is picking spots surely? This spot is horrendous IMO.
Out of interest what range do you put him on having called your 3bet?
pokerpops:
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on July 05, 2013, 13:21:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: david3103 on July 05, 2013, 11:54:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on July 05, 2013, 11:42:02 AM ---
Personally dont see the need to call his turn bet, you are basically trying to out play the best player at the table, no?
Get in as few spots with him as possible, and when you get in them ,make sure you have the equipment to fight back.
I check and fold.
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If we don"t test ourselves occasionally we don"t improve.
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If we call OOP with marginal/bad hands against a good player, we lose money 90% of the time.
I"m all for playing creatively, but surely part of being a good player is picking spots surely? This spot is horrendous IMO.
Out of interest what range do you put him on having called your 3bet?
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when he flats I gave him pretty much any pair below queens and a few Ace+Broadway cards, with maybe the odd randoms thrown in - sexy connected cards and suited stuff. He was playing "socially".
When he checks back on the flop it reduced the chance he had a set or indeed a pair and on the turn I actually felt there was a lot more likelihood he had A10/AJ/AQ than a 7 or a pair.
he bet £43 when I checked the river and I decided that even if I was right there was only one of those hands that I was beating.
I"d debate the "marginal bad hand" description here btw - his range for opening is wide enough to include him peeling a lot of stuff that I"m in good shape against as well as the obvious hands that he 4bets
The error, maybe, is not c-betting having raised pre.
@Rodders - Matt Frankland
http://uk.pokernews.com/news/2012/07/mathew-frankland-claims-number-one-spot-in-uk-ireland-rankin-8860.htm
http://iveypoker.com/mathew-frankland/
so yes, he"s pretty darned good
dwh103:
--- Quote from: david3103 on July 05, 2013, 14:40:46 PM ---
I"d debate the "marginal bad hand" description here btw - his range for opening is wide enough to include him peeling a lot of stuff that I"m in good shape against as well as the obvious hands that he 4bets
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I"d massively disagree with this - what range is he peeling with that you"re in good shape against?
This is a clear reverse implied odds spot imo.
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