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Fatcatstu:
I dont have a clue what one would look like dave.

In this particular hand, I dont see people limping and calling off for their lives much at this stage in these. Granted i would have prefered a more suited connected type hand to do it with, but honestly couldnt see a call coming at all and it put me chip lead!!!

In other news, i just came 2nd in my last one of the night, which leaves the bank roll on $417.04.

Today has been an absolute rollercoaster, but feel that I have played really quite well, and am over the moon that I have managed a strong finish to close the day slightly in profit!!


Games played - 80
Games cashed in - 16
Total Profit - $167.04

Charlie44:
Bit suspicious of Renne473 early limp. Any history of this ?  With 6 still in hand and 2 having shown some strength its a fold for me with such a relatively weak holding. Its ladder,ladder,ladder for me but not very successful at these - so what do I know.

fatpants:
All pretty standard bar the 7-8 and a-5,  both folds pre for me dont think your ever in good shape with these 2 and you have enough chips to not have to get involved just let!  Enjoying the thread keep the updates coming and gl! :)

Fatcatstu:
There had been very little limping from either if these 2 do far, it was all raise raise raise, so I read it as total weakness on their part and thought there was little chance of me getting called. If there is a raise from either then I muck fairly quickly!! As it was, they both played ball and folded and I was chip leader

The 78 hand was just a brain fart on my behalf!!

The ladders in these are tiny until you make FT, with no jump from 27_19 then 18-10, so making final tables with chips is always the way to go IMO unless someone cares to tell me different?

AAroddersAA:
The A5 hand is likely to be OK tbh Stu, it is player dependent though and here is where we use our HUD, I would check their VP$IP against PFR before doing this but if they were players inclined to limp wide then it is an OK play. I tend to colour code players who will limp fold so I can shove marginal hands in LP in pots when they have limped in as I am super +cEV in those spots. Even if you get called you are going to be at least 30% and you will get lot"s of folds in these games. The HUD also has a stat for this.

I do get the concern with this play as well. The problem is when you get called you are usually getting called by pairs and better aces so are rarely in good shape. I would prefer this if it was done from the BB as my main concern would be the people still to act behind me. I would also be a bit concerned if a player who often raises suddenly wants to limp UTG unless the HUD gave me a reason to thing shoving would be +EV. This play actually works better in $4.50"s btw.


--- Quote from: david3103 on September 05, 2013, 21:46:40 PM ---
Do you have charts for shove/fold decisions?
Ray Norton was crushing these games at higher stakes using one.
He"s acknowledged as a master and yet even he has just had an awful downswing and gone bust.

--- End quote ---

Yeah, he might even be the best in the world at these games. He sold a stake in these on Blonde at 70/30 in his favour and I am disappointed I missed it as I would have snap invested, that was quite literally free money. I would suggest anybody who plays the $8 games try to avoid him.

This shows how swingy these games can be. At this level though it is harder downswing much more than 200BI due to the sheer amount of fish in the games. It is possible though.

The main difference though is he is a pro player that needs to make money to make his living. I don"t think he had an "awful downswing" as such though just a standard one? He was not winning enough basically and he just needed living money so chose to get staked for a while, a fairly standard thing for a pro to do?

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