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APAT Main event hand
Charlie44:
Enjoyed the APAT weekend as usual. Thanks to organisers and casino staff and Congrats to winners.
Interested in comments about this hand which I played in the main event this year - I can"t remember exact stack/bet sizes but I think they are reasonably accurate as to make no difference to decision making.
Very experienced and very capable apater raises to 1000 ep on tough table. He normally plays solid values but is very capable of making plays a the right opportunity. My image is tight. We both got stacks of 18k - less than average with blinds 400/200 50 ante.
I decide to just call with AQo in the CO. I think the BB calls.
Board QJ44J. (no flush draws)
Villain bets 1500 (1/2 pot) flop, I call, BB folds. Bets 3k turn (1/2 pot) I call, and villain is all in on river (pot bet).
What do you think of my play to date ? What is villain"s value betting range here ? How often is this a bluff ? Should it be an easy fold ?
If anybody recognises the hand ( especially villain !) please feel free to correct any of my errors on stack bet sizing etc.
I will await responses before declaring my decision and thinking behind it.
Fluence:
--- Quote from: Charlie44 on August 27, 2013, 14:17:57 PM ---
Very experienced and very capable apater raises to 1000 ep on tough table. He normally plays solid values but is very capable of making plays a the right opportunity. My image is tight. We both got stacks of 18k - less than average with blinds 400/200 50 ante.
I decide to just call with AQo in the CO. I think the BB calls.
Board QJ44J. (no flush draws)
Villain bets 1500 (1/2 pot) flop, I call, BB folds. Bets 3k turn (1/2 pot) I call, and villain is all in on river (pot bet).
What do you think of my play to date ? What is villain"s value betting range here ? How often is this a bluff ? Should it be an easy fold ?
If anybody recognises the hand ( especially villain !) please feel free to correct any of my errors on stack bet sizing etc.
I will await responses before declaring my decision and thinking behind it.
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I raise pre 95% of the time in that spot. That changes the entire hand and the rest of the hand would have run out differently.
By not raising pre or post flop you have not forced him to define his hand and u have no more idea about what he has than when he initially opened pre flop.
Whatever u do on the river is pure guesswork. Though my experience of APAT's is when the bet really big on the river they generally have it.
Swinebag:
With a strong hand but one that plays poorly post flop and position on villain, I would be taking advantage of your tight image and re-raising pre here. I"m not sure if calling is particularly bad but I wouldn"t do it. Ready to be convinced though.
If you are convinced that villain is only opening top 10 from EP then you can fold this pre.
As played calling flop and turn are fine. River card is terrible for you as villain is pretty polarised here. He likely checks the turn a lot with marginal showdown holdings such as JK, JA, QK and QA but probably bets KK and AA as well as strong hands pre that are now bluffs (AK, TT) and of course his crushing hands (JJ, JQ)
River is a terrible card for him if he has KK and AA so they are more likely checks on the river
I am left with AK and TT vs JJ and JQ.
Balance in a few KK,AA and Jx that are overplayed with a few more draws that didn"t get there then this seems to be a call for me. If villain is capable of moves then he would be all over that river card with his bluffs. It is difficult to call a pot sized river bet with AQ there and villain would know this.
In short, Yes, enough bluffs to call it off IMO
Folding is far from terrible though to preserve stack etc. and readless I also fold.
mporter123:
I really want to know the villain before I comment!
Don"t think pre can ever be bad - need more reads though. Not worried about making him define his hand either - if I"m raising then its just purely for value.
Based on info then would be calling river as played but so read dependent - tell me who it was.. please, am intruiged.
Charlie44:
--- Quote from: mporter123 on August 27, 2013, 16:14:30 PM ---
I really want to know the villain before I comment!
Don"t think pre can ever be bad - need more reads though. Not worried about making him define his hand either - if I"m raising then its just purely for value.
Based on info then would be calling river as played but so read dependent - tell me who it was.. please, am intruiged.
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Probably better he reveals himself (so to speak) if he wants !
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