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JM 4/9/13 HAnd 4 Is this always a fold with QQ ?

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Charlie44:
Only 6 hands on villain. Should this be a fold on turn/river ?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: $14.35
SB: $20.98
BB: $8.98
UTG: $10.84
UTG+1: $6.05
UTG+2: $26.40
MP: $4.44
MP+1: $14.25
Hero (CO): $11.41

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Qd Qh
UTG calls $0.10, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.20

Flop : ($0.75, 2 players) 9d 4c 4d
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.43, UTG calls $0.43

Turn : ($1.61, 2 players) 2h
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.92, UTG raises to $2.70, Hero calls $1.78

River : ($7.01, 2 players) 7h
UTG bets $4.67, Hero calls $4.67

mporter123:
Raise more pre. I go for $0.43 just to be sexy. We need to charge the limper, raising to $0.30 means he is getting the right odds to call with all his limpy hands.

Well played on the turn - I like just calling the raise. Out of interest, did you think about re-raising? Were you calling because you thought you were winning or worried you were losing?

Fatcatstu:
Agree raise more pre!!

What can have here that is limp calling and ahead of us on this board? He can play pocket pairs in this way so I suppose a house or quads are in his range, but I think it has to be 99.

Why has he taken off on the turn? Just feels like A9 or a flush draw to me.

I"m just not good enough to fold this river, just sigh, call abd move on I think!!!

mporter123:
I don"t think we should be folding the river.

For all the times he has 99, he can have 10"s and Jacks and play them exactly the same. Ditto hands like A9.

He limps UTG - we can use that knowledge to make the river call.

AAroddersAA:
I would raise to 40c but I don"t mind the 30c raise. I always do 3x and add 1 for each limper in cash, it is old skool but it works.

Not sure what he is limping in with but if we don"t have a read it could be almost anything, has he limped in on any of the last 6 hands? Limp/Calling is usually a pair or small connecting type cards. He pretty much never has AA or KK here so remove those from his range as treat your hand as being best obv.

The flop is great for our hand. He could have a 4 but does not feel like he one too often, the only other hand we are scared of is 99. We get calls from lots of hands we beat I expect mid pairs call us and maybe the odd flush draw? I am super confident I have the best hand and pretty ready to get as much money in as possible.

The turn should be a great card for us and I still feel really good about my hand, we bet again which is cool. Then we get raised... Oh dear.

Limp/call preflop. Check call flop. Check/raise the turn a decent amount. That is about the strongest line you can get at this level and one pair is almost never beating it. I have no idea how we are losing but it is VERY unlikely we are getting exploited unless we have evidence that might be happening. It is one of those spots I am not sure how we are losing but we just are. I would not be surprised to see 99 here tbh. I don"t like 3-betting because he should fold A9 if we do and if he has that we want to give him the chance to bluff on the river where we can call.

I would fold the turn - I just don"t think one pair is good here often enough (although it is pretty close). I don"t hate the call at all, I would hate a raise.

The bet on the river is to be expected after we call the turn so if we do call the turn we should call I suppose, it just seems so strong to me though. As played I can just about find the fold button here, even in game.

fwiw I don"t think Tens and Jacks get played the same in this game at all, the line is too strong, you just get called down usually, and he can also have a 4, we don"t just lose to 99.

It is not always a fold (against me for example you should snap call) but against a random player I think it is.

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