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Small 50 hand session recording, your thoughts.
Sillbags:
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Camtasia is pretty good
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Thanks Chris
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AGree with this but I used Snagit, Camtasia is better though, would be great to see one from Neil imo
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Did you use a mic, or just the pc"s built in mic?
AAroddersAA:
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--- Quote from: Sillbags on September 25, 2013, 14:30:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: hi_am_chris on September 25, 2013, 12:29:30 PM ---
Camtasia is pretty good
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Thanks Chris
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AGree with this but I used Snagit, Camtasia is better though, would be great to see one from Neil imo
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Did you use a mic, or just the pc"s built in mic?
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I just used my laptop which has a Mic built in. Seems to work OK. Most laptops will have built in mics which are up to the job.
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: noble1 on September 25, 2013, 18:45:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on September 23, 2013, 11:34:19 AM ---
Feel free to throw some comments in.
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just look back at Simeon and how he played his JJ plus his river action, add 20/10 plus watch the other board textures he played before the JJ...
and you thought he was playing a draw quick in a 3bet pot and would bluff the river? [edit ref - when you have AQ in the sb about 31mins in]
thoughts Rodders ?
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Not sure we learn much from the JJ hand tbh or how it is in any way similar to the AQ 3b pot, would be happy to hear your thoughts though?
It"s very easy to see folds in these spots when we know results, in the heat of the moment it"s a lot tougher. Rodders had been playing pretty manic and given those circumstances doesn"t TPTK hold significant value?
With hindsight we can look back and be very sure Simeon"s flop raise is for value and yes he"s a passive"ish player in a 3b pot (they tend to play more honestly) so his raise is super strong but imho this is not a trivial fold.
There is a lot of advanced learning to be had reviewing the spot though and you may even call flop and river in a similar spot again but with time and liberal use of a baseball bat the key points will become second nature. ;D
Disclaimer: Baseball bat analogy may be lost in translation ;)
noble1:
there are no results orientated thinking here Bren, u can get off that horse fella :)
like i said watch his previous hands before he played the JJ add in how he reacted to the 40c river bet into a $7 king river, and you think thats not something worth noting regarding his style?
now add in the notes Rodders had on him - flatted 3bet from sb from the btn with AA and raised cbet on wet flop... [at about 9min35secs Rodders refers to Simeon being capable of flatting big pairs when he has the J8s on the btn also]
even the the way he played 55 after hitting a set oop gives extra clues... [btw Rodders i"d note the flop texture he did that on]
there are no notes on seeing bluffs or semi bluffs... [plus on the video i can"t see him even possibly semi bluffing/bluff, like you refer to also Bren, all i see are predictable straight forward abc types]
plus at these limits post flop with a opponent with stats like this, plus what notes Rodders has, can Rodders improve upon his thought process ""i think i"ll just call and go from there"" [didn"t even check previous notes, plus he didn"t start putting Simeon on a range in which he"d raise call pre with or raise on the flop]
turn thoughts?
river thoughts? still no reason to expect him to bluff 100% all missed draws imho, we know he"ll bet for value 100%...
is his river bet sizing worth noting?
river - no thoughts at the time except for ""thats a big bet"" - pot odds, i"d like to see Rodders go through how often he thinks Simeon will bluff before he checks to him, as played i"d like to see Rodders go back through the hand quick and think how its played out etc [we use our extra time bank]
plus Rodders could of thought about bet folding as an option also [remember how villain reacted to that ridiculous 40c bet only moments earlier]
i think thats enough for now, Rodders i tip my hat to you sir for having the stones to put this up... regarding the video, maybe you can record first then add audio later on what you were thinking about at the time.. [just in case i"m doing you a dis-service and you actually thought about a lot more things but didn"t express them at the time of the making of the vid]
AAroddersAA:
Excellent post"s as usual both Noble and Brendan (and the earlier one by Brendan that I have not yet responded too but will).
The AQ hand. I think Nobles points are good ones and his posts demonstrate why I think posting the video was good as it is better than posting one hand in isolation to think about how you played it, I should have been using the info from the previous hand where I 3-bet him with J8s OTB and that I had seen him flat AA then raise the flop. I could do the audio later but I wanted to do it live as it will best show my thought processes as I go along, Noble is right that I didn"t make all of my thoughts during the hand clear and did have stuff going through my head I don"t mention. A lot of his points about the hands are valid and I should have thought back through that hand more including thinking about his pre flop range and asked the question what am I actually beating (the answer is not a lot so given the bet size I can fold the river in that hand), it should be easier to do this in a 3-bet pot and I should have noted this to be honest. The JJ hand is not that relevant is it, he has the betting lead through that hand until the river where he calls the tiny with showdown value where as I check to him on turn and river in this pot. The JJ hand looks standard but it does show a slightly passive side on the river although don"t see what else he does in that spot. Overall though yes I could have though this spot through better, I sort of put him on a draw on the flop and went with that which was not the right thing to do in that spot.
Brendan is right that in game this is a lot harder but I wanted to look at spots where I get it wrong in game so that I can try and do better in such spots in the future. It"s quite easy to be able to look through hands and get them right in retrospect but doing this does help you in game as it becomes more second nature to you.
The whole thing helps with the continuous effort to keep getting better and to increase win rate. I don"t worry about constructive critisim. Having people like Brendan and Noble taking the time to view this and pick spots where I could have played better by improving my thought processes is a good thing and the debate it creates on the forum is a good thing too.
Think I will do another one if people do not mind. I may try and do what Noble said and add the sound later. Thanks for all the contributions on this though, it is useful and hopefully is good for the strategy section too.
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