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Let's Talk HUD's
AJDUK:
I think it"s absurd to consider it absurd to call Rob"s suggestions absurd.
I don"t use tracking software though I have in the past mainly for limit cash and I recall it helped me plug a massive hole in my game which was the sh1tload of money I was losing in the sb.
I stopped using it mainly for logistical reasons more than anything as I used multiple pc"s to play but the database was only on one of them. Maybe networking the db is supported now but it wasn"t in the early days of PT.
These days I don"t play enough volume to warrant it and when I do play I tend to play MTT"s and even then I single table. Like Leigh I analyse numbers, statistics and trends for a living so it"s strange that I"m not interested in going back down the HUD route but TBH I prefer live games anyway. You can tell the online geeks a mile off and many are clearly lost without their comfort blanket of numbers floating above peoples heads :)
I think that all the analysis takes the fun out of the game if fun is what you are after, but if your sole reason is to make money then it"s stupid not to if you play online relatively frequently or multi-table.
Chipaccrual:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on October 08, 2013, 17:45:20 PM ---
Is this a spying mission Leigh? in support of Rob Yong"s recent absurd observations and stance around the current status of online poker.
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More of a selfish motive actually Brendan.
I"ve been playing poker since 2004, and have just done a quick bit of totting up and am pretty comfortable with stating that I am at least a break even player online, and for the small volume of live events I have played (even excluding Wembley), I am at least a break even player live (excluding the costs of travel, but I"m a social player, so am happy that I have plenty of adventures to speak of).
The reason I make the statement above is to put into context what I am about to state below.
I have already stated that I have never used poker software. I have read a number of poker books over the years, but certainly wouldn"t claim to be up on the latest poker strategies. I have never once made a written note about a player online. If I"m playing, I am normally multitabling, and would struggle to remember if I"ve played a hand against a player in a previous session, let alone remember how he/she may have played a situation in the past. I have never reviewed hand histories, albeit I will post any interesting hands on the forum for debate.
I"d like to think that my sample size online is enough to smooth out the variance, but perhaps my live stats are from too small a sample.
The thought of spending as much time reviewing and analysing my play as I do playing is simply an impossible situation, in fact, the thought of spending any serious amount of time reviewing and analysing my play is always going to take a back seat, as I"d prefer to play if I"ve got spare time.
I can"t be the only one who has similar thoughts to this, can I ?
I"m not saying poker software is cheating, or even unfair, but curious to know if it really can give that much of an edge, or is it more of a myth.
The discussion on this subject from another forum, which was kicked off by Rob"s blog, had most of the reg"s that used HUD"s suggesting that they offered little benefit, which goes against what a lot of the guys have posted on here.
Would love to know other peoples thoughts on the subject, no one"s going to get shot down for having a view, and I think it is a really interesting subject to openly discuss.
PS - Ignore any stats I may have posted above, I am still the fish at the table, and any poker I play is very much added value for the rest of the field. ;D
amcgrath1uk:
--- Quote from: Chipaccrual on October 08, 2013, 19:56:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on October 08, 2013, 17:45:20 PM ---
Is this a spying mission Leigh? in support of Rob Yong"s recent absurd observations and stance around the current status of online poker.
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More of a selfish motive actually Brendan.
I"ve been playing poker since 2004, and have just done a quick bit of totting up and am pretty comfortable with stating that I am at least a break even player online, and for the small volume of live events I have played (even excluding Wembley), I am at least a break even player live (excluding the costs of travel, but I"m a social player, so am happy that I have plenty of adventures to speak of).
The reason I make the statement above is to put into context what I am about to state below.
I have already stated that I have never used poker software. I have read a number of poker books over the years, but certainly wouldn"t claim to be up on the latest poker strategies. I have never once made a written note about a player online. If I"m playing, I am normally multitabling, and would struggle to remember if I"ve played a hand against a player in a previous session, let alone remember how he/she may have played a situation in the past. I have never reviewed hand histories, albeit I will post any interesting hands on the forum for debate.
I"d like to think that my sample size online is enough to smooth out the variance, but perhaps my live stats are from too small a sample.
The thought of spending as much time reviewing and analysing my play as I do playing is simply an impossible situation, in fact, the thought of spending any serious amount of time reviewing and analysing my play is always going to take a back seat, as I"d prefer to play if I"ve got spare time.
I can"t be the only one who has similar thoughts to this, can I ?
I"m not saying poker software is cheating, or even unfair, but curious to know if it really can give that much of an edge, or is it more of a myth.
The discussion on this subject from another forum, which was kicked off by Rob"s blog, had most of the reg"s that used HUD"s suggesting that they offered little benefit, which goes against what a lot of the guys have posted on here.
Would love to know other peoples thoughts on the subject, no one"s going to get shot down for having a view, and I think it is a really interesting subject to openly discuss.
PS - Ignore any stats I may have posted above, I am still the fish at the table, and any poker I play is very much added value for the rest of the field. ;D
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Leigh
You have precisely the same reasons as I do playing poker. I have no interest in playing nosebleed stakes, so the odd loss from a leak I can live with. I shall assume that you"re pretty comfortable with your own game, eg how aggressive/passive/tight/loose you are?
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: Chipaccrual on October 08, 2013, 19:56:43 PM ---
The thought of spending as much time reviewing and analysing my play as I do playing is simply an impossible situation, in fact, the thought of spending any serious amount of time reviewing and analysing my play is always going to take a back seat, as I"d prefer to play if I"ve got spare time.
I can"t be the only one who has similar thoughts to this, can I ?
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Not at all, but you are looking at an extreme end of the user spectrum with that example.
--- Quote from: Chipaccrual ---
I"m not saying poker software is cheating, or even unfair, but curious to know if it really can give that much of an edge, or is it more of a myth.
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The numbers collected by the software range from utterly useless in some hands to printing money in others. There is a considerable skill in correctly interpreting the data and profitably manipulating opponents based on that data.
--- Quote from: Chipaccrual ---
The discussion on this subject from another forum, which was kicked off by Rob"s blog, had most of the reg"s that used HUD"s suggesting that they offered little benefit, which goes against what a lot of the guys have posted on here.
Would love to know other peoples thoughts on the subject, no one"s going to get shot down for having a view, and I think it is a really interesting subject to openly discuss.
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I suspect that is a combination of "the regs" taking a defensive position and being very careful how they respond to "The great poker benefactors" observations.
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: SirPercival on October 08, 2013, 18:55:12 PM ---
I think it is absurd to call Rob"s observations absurd ;)
I think everyone is jumping on the HUDs/Tracking element of Robs post when in actual fact there is a much bigger picture.
I have used PT3 and enjoyed using it, particularly for analysing my own game. It helped my game and helped me make money. I also however support Rob"s views and have equally enjoyed playing the DTD club cash games that have banned tracking software.
There is no right/wrong answer on whether someone should use software. Everyone plays for different reasons and software will appeal to some (Brendan/Steve) and not to others (Wayne). It isn"t cheating but it is important to recognise that many people percieve it as cheating and here in lies one of the problems.
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Allow me to elaborate...
As I see it, when you cut through the rhetoric the message is about continuing to attract fish/net contributors into the player pool and holding onto those currently in that pool by taking their monies slowly, thus, they are less likely to notice they are losing and more likely to remain a contributor.
So yes, there is a bigger picture but that is dependent on ones position in the game. Maybe your big picture is to learn quickly that you will always lose and get out before the number is significant or maybe it"s about getting/keeping bums on virtual seats so as the numbers are very significant.
I use tracking software, I have a decent understanding of how to use that software, yet I remain a micro stakes player? :-[
HM or PT will not make you a winningest player. >:(
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