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Chipaccrual:
Interesting hand from the weekend.

Blinds are 300/600/75

BB (Me) - Playing approx 85k
SB - Plaing approx 50k

Mid position raises to 1500, SB calls.

I look down at  Kd 6d and raise it to 5.3k (Initial raiser has done that a lot, SB has folded to pressure in some hands)

MP folds, SB calls.

Flop comes down  Ad  Qh  Jd

SB checks, I bet out 7.4k

SB thinks for a bit, is counting chips, then raises to 23k


At this point I ask how much behind, and get told it"s another 22k roughly


This could be another simple "What would you do ?" thread, but I"m kinda guessing I know what most of the answers will be here (do let me know anyway), but I"m more interested in thoughts around should I be saying anything here ?

Can I win the hand without probably having to hit my flush ?

We are five handed at the table.  The SB lost around 20k a couple of orbits back when having a betting battle with his SB.  Betting went something like 2k, 4.5k, 8k, 23k, allin, on a JJ6 flop, at which point he folded.

Do I think I can get him to fold here ?  I don"t really do speech play, but would that sway his decision if I did make a move ?

Interested in the more imaginative suggestions here.  Can I call ?  (Hadn"t really thought that was an option)

deanp27:
Not a huge fan of pre but I suppose at 6max you can get more aggro if you think the OR is going to fold, do think the 3bet is rather chunky but having said that it didn"t deter the SB.

As played you have to cram I think. There is a small chance he is messing about and will fold and I don"t think calling to fold turn unimproved is that much of an option anyway.

Don"t really go in for speech play that much and think its overrated unless you have picked up a potential advantage that the person will give something away. You have diamonds plus Tens as outs if he has AJ/AQ and have tens as chop outs vs AT and KT.

Sillbags:
Ugly spot mate. At first glance I liked the cbet and sizing, but is checking behind here bad? I guess we don"t expect to get raised too often as this flop should hit our range pretty well, so cbet is prob fine. Can"t see villain often showing up with a set here, although is possible. More likely 2 pair hands like AQ, AJ, QJ, or KT for made straight. Even if we are generous and give him sets, 2 pair, straight and a few flush draw combos, we still have 40% equity, so I feel that we can"t be folding here. We will also be getting over 3-1 on the turn when he shoves, so maybe we should just pile here, although don"t think he"s ever folding  :-\

AMRN:
If he"s invested 28.3k (5.3k pre, and a post flop raise to 23k), there is no way I can ever imagine he would fold leaving 22k behind. Speech play, or any other stuff, is somewhat irrelevant - we have to assume he"s never folding now.

As for your choice, having found yourself in spot (I don"t like the way you got to this spot btw), surely you can"t contemplate a fold?  It plays itself from here - you jam, he calls....

The reason I don"t like the way we got to this spot.... I can understand the re-raise pre given your comment that the MP player has raised a lot of hands.... But, I hate to play a bloated pot out of position with a hand that could very easily be dominated if we get a caller (ok in this situation, the MP folded and the SB called, meaning we are now playing the bloated pot in position). 

When we"ve flopped such a huge draw, do we need to semi-bluff?.... given that we have position, is this perhaps a spot to check behind for pot control, and also to disguise our hand to some degree if we hit on the turn?  By making the semi bluff, we open it up for the check/raise, and now have to play the draw for most of our stack.

What do we put the SB on prior to us making the bet on the flop?  He"s playing out of position, but has called the original MP raise, and has called our re-raise, yet you already noted that he folds under pressure. I think it"s a reasonable assumption that the flop has smacked him fairly hard, and for that reason, I advocate checking behind on the flop.

mporter123:
I like pre. Would make it a teensy bit smaller then 5.5K or something similar on the flop.

As played, even given previous history, he can surely never be folding now given sizing and stack sizes. Yes, we have equity but do we really want to get in 80bb"s in a spot like this? Given his sizing, I would fold here. I also think making it slightly smaller pre and on the flop makes the decision easier.

I am not sure about checking back the flop, guess its bad to bet fold away so much equity. Meh will wait to see what others think.

 

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