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I didn't take my seat for start of a tournament- what should happen to my chips?
Jon MW:
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If they have paid then the chips are in play nomatter if they are present or not
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This - I think it"s a terrible idea to suggest that somebody could pay for a product (tournament entry), and then be denied it for showing up late.
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No-one is denying them a seat, they are being penalised for arriving late.
A "re-entry" period is just that...an option to re-enter.
Late entry comps are different animals and chips should not be taken from the start.
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It"d be like booking a hotel room but them letting somebody else have it just because you haven"t checked in by midnight, for example.
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That"s a common "rule" at many chain hotels....not that it is necessarily a good thing.
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lol I know some hotels do it - it"s pretty obviously a bad thing though
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...Whether the chips get "blinded off" or alternatively, sit with the dealer to give to the player when they take their seats, I have no strong view on - but come the first break, I personally think they should be removed from the event. ...
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That sounds like suggesting denying people a seat to me.
And I"ve arrived at an APAT tournament after blinding off to the first break, you"re still left with a playable stack so I see no reason at all to remove such a player from the tournament.
Scousebill:
I think if you have paid your fee before the competition starts then your blinds should be in play from the start. I don"t agree with using it as a "late reg guaranteed seat" type of thing. It could be that you have paid and can"t make it for the start and somebody else has took a chance with turning up on the day and finds it is full only to see people arrive after them, join a table and start playing.
Late reg is different in that you are actually joining late and taking the chance that there are actually seats available for you within that period and for that risk you do deserve to join with a full chip stack.
In last weeks IPO the chips were with the dealer and the cards were still dealt to the seat, that was until the dealer forgot about it. I mentioned it twice during the late arrival period and once the dealer apologised and dealt to the seat again but the second time the players on the table said to just carry on nine handed...
Personally, I tend to be ready at the start and very rarely do I use the late reg facility online... Definitely sit down for the start of a live tourney though....
Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: Scousebill on October 24, 2013, 18:01:37 PM ---
I think if you have paid your fee before the competition starts then your blinds should be in play from the start. I don"t agree with using it as a "late reg guaranteed seat" type of thing.
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This...+1000.
PLUS...Under no circumstances should chips be removed from play once the buy-in has been paid.
I could be wrong but I have a vague recollection of a player not making an APAT event and their stack almost getting into the money a couple of years back.
Never happen in practice (with any proper structure) but if they have paid...they"re to the bitter end...IMO.
Sugar_Free:
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on October 24, 2013, 18:08:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Scousebill on October 24, 2013, 18:01:37 PM ---
I think if you have paid your fee before the competition starts then your blinds should be in play from the start. I don"t agree with using it as a "late reg guaranteed seat" type of thing.
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This...+1000.
PLUS...Under no circumstances should chips be removed from play once the buy-in has been paid.
I could be wrong but I have a vague recollection of a player not making an APAT event and their stack almost getting into the money a couple of years back.
Never happen in practice (with any proper structure) but if they have paid...they"re to the bitter end...IMO.
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+1001
Don"t see the difference between not getting there till level 6 and sitting in your seat on your phone for 5 levels. Or what if the player sits down for hand no 1 then says "right, I have to go and check into my hotel" and comes back 4 hours later?
TheSnapper:
There is no perfect answer to this problem and unfortunately the rules are not uniform across the various card rooms. The chips in play rule is fine though it does cause an unfair positional dynamic around the unmanned stack, good for some and bad for others.
This dynamic is increased as blinds get bigger, which is why I like when these stacks are removed at the first break and replaced with a player. See rule 15 here http://www.wsop.com/2013/2013_wsop_rules.pdf
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