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APAT Season 8 - [Pre-release Discussion]
Kronsdat:
Can I just make (another) plea for something (not LPPL) in the North West of England please. We have a significant number of APAT players, but haven"t had a "home" event for years. Yorkshire I have to say, has been neglected for even longer!
Zozzy:
--- Quote from: Kronsdat on December 05, 2013, 23:39:57 PM ---
Can I just make (another) plea for something (not LPPL) in the North West of England please. We have a significant number of APAT players, but haven"t had a "home" event for years. Yorkshire I have to say, has been neglected for even longer!
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As a Lancashire Lad myself I have to agree
.............................but I don"t have a problem neglecting Yorkshire
Paulie_D:
Crossed from Season 7 WCOAP discussion
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I know MTS was the only updater there, and was gonna struggle trying to cover 3 events a day, from midday to 5am. Shame, as the community loves a bit of coverage.
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I think that"s a little harsh because I think Matt at the very least was there for most of it. I only made a couple of days so I could be wrong but at times there were 5 laptops open ready for updating.
Admittedly, at times, they were trying to cover up to three events at a time so even then they were going to be stretched.
Live updates are a not-insignificant cost to APAT and generate no revenue as such. This is true of pretty much all updates be it Blonde/DTD or Sky.
There are occasions when I, and some others, have jumped in to to add whatever we can (gratis) to any live update we can (sometimes with little or no appreciation [or even rubbishing] from some members of the forum) but I, and I"m sure others, often have other things we"d rather be doing.
To summarise, as it were
Without getting into debates about membership charges / extra costs again, an update team costs a non-negligable amount of money for no "actual" return.
If we want it them to continue we have to take what we can get, find some way of covering additional costs or jump in and help.
Dawnie:
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on April 22, 2014, 15:19:32 PM ---
Crossed from Season 7 WCOAP discussion
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I know MTS was the only updater there, and was gonna struggle trying to cover 3 events a day, from midday to 5am. Shame, as the community loves a bit of coverage.
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I think that"s a little harsh because I think Matt at the very least was there for most of it. I only made a couple of days so I could be wrong but at times there were 5 laptops open ready for updating.
Admittedly, at times, they were trying to cover up to three events at a time so even then they were going to be stretched.
Live updates are a not-insignificant cost to APAT and generate no revenue as such. This is true of pretty much all updates be it Blonde/DTD or Sky.
There are occasions when I, and some others, have jumped in to to add whatever we can (gratis) to any live update we can (sometimes with little or no appreciation [or even rubbishing] from some members of the forum) but I, and I"m sure others, often have other things we"d rather be doing.
To summarise, as it were
Without getting into debates about membership charges / extra costs again, an update team costs a non-negligable amount of money for no "actual" return.
If we want it them to continue we have to take what we can get, find some way of covering additional costs or jump in and help.
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as a newbie I would hae been more than happy to help out and update, surely there must be others the same who weren"t on the sauce and who weren"t playing? yesterday once I was home I was glued to the updates to see how my mate was getting on, so thanks to each and everyone who did contribute.
I might be going over old ground/teaching granny etc but did ppl get asked before hand to do a stint and help out? even if ppl did a Cpl of hours and went down on a rota that might have helped the rather overworked poor sausages who were running like loonies from event to event. If I am around at any of the events in the future you can count me in to help out :)
KarmaDope:
I did wonder how long it would take for this thread to be resurrected!
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on April 22, 2014, 15:19:32 PM ---
Live updates are a not-insignificant cost to APAT and generate no revenue as such. This is true of pretty much all updates be it Blonde/DTD or Sky.
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This is very true. I think a lot of people would be surprised at how much an update team costs. You pay an updater a daily rate plus expenses (hotel/travel/food etc). I"m not going to divulge confidential financial information from APAT but for an event like the worlds, a good freelance updater could charge (including expenses) 4 figures.
Now before you go "how much!" let me lay it out for you. As an example, let"s assume the Worlds are back at Stratford, during August Bank Holiday (as I cant look at next Easter) and we have the same schedule, from 19th August - 25th August. I have agreed to update for my standard rate (this is the number you dont get).
My train costs are £90.
7 nights at Stratford Travelodge (cheapest I found for this worlds) are £346 if I book today.
I generally don"t charge food expenses but when I did the ISPT, food allowance was £20 per day for 3 meals - so £140.
Even if you take out the food expenses, you still dont get much change from £500. Then you actually have to pay the updater. Don"t forget that most of the updaters are freelance, and have many other options - so you have to offer a rate that gets them to take your job rather than another one. In my case, I work as a contractor full time, so I would have to take time off work (unpaid, as a contractor) to cover the week (Tuesday - Monday), plus the second Tuesday to travel back home, plus probably Wednesday to recover from 7 solid days of running round a cardroom. (or, if you work at Wembley, 92 BLOODY STEPS)
Just ask yourself how much you would offer to do it for, solidly, for a week. Then add the expenses on top. Updating is expensive for the company and, tbh, not value for money at all. When Tighty did it for APAT, he was employed full time by APAT AFAIK so didnt draw extra costs. As much as we love MTS/Matt/Tom, they are not Tighty and we shouldn"t expect them to be.
Any help these guys can get, please, do so. But a fair warning - updating is a LOT harder than people think :)
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