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Live Updates European Amateur Poker Champ Sat 7/Sun 8 Dec 2013
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: Curlarge on December 10, 2013, 15:29:31 PM ---
I"m not suggesting that it was a deliberate "stitch up" or anything of the kind, it clearly wouldn"t have been or ever will be, but the venue was chosen before the players were.
Knowing which venue was being used, and this was no doubt part of the thinking to be part of a larger festival, as was the case with Wembley, the choice of England captain became crucial, for the reasons outlined previously. Carl was an excellent captain, but this was the wrong venue for him and it mustn"t be allowed to happen again.
The point of me raising this is to help ensure that it doesn"t.
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I would agree with Rich here, he makes an excellent point. It is important that the team take this into consideration for future events. Somehow I don"t think it will be a problem again.
I am really pleased with the great feedback from the members who traveled to Prague. I admit to having been concerned about all the changes to APAT recently and wondered about it future. Reading the feedback here it sounds as though Des has found the right men to step in. Great to here Tom will be involved with the members hope he knows what he is letting himself in for here.
Bring on Stoke and WCOAP imo
Matt D:
Bad choice of words by me. Apologies. I didn"t mean "stitch up", more that I don"t think the venue choice/prestige was put before member requirements. I think it was just an oversight (and as I say, admittedly a regrettable one). In this day and age, I"m very surprised that venues do not offer full wheelchair access, or at least are very clear about not offering it.
This isn"t really my department, but I"m sure lessons have been learned from this, and that venues will be fully checked in future (if indeed they weren"t checked this time, but misleading information was provided).
fandango:
Would like to put my own views on what has been mentioned above..
Paulie hit the nail on the head.. i was indeed "lied" to by the hotel, i (Emma) make every effort to ensure where ever we stay the disabled facilities are adequate for my needs.
I was in contact with the Akcent via email a few times regarding the disabled access they had and promised me that access into the hotel was "disabled friendly", this was clearly not the case on arrival with a flight of stairs into reception and then a ramp to get to the reception desk wich was basically a joke!! Emma in fact injured her back trying to push me up the ramp, this put an instant dampner onto the start of the trip. The room was spacious as promised and comfatable for the time i spent in there.
The casino... hmmmm well i "presumed" as the casino was part of the hotel that indeed it would have lifts and disabled facilaties :), so didnt call and confirm that this was the case, and this was a error on my behalf! as stated above i make every effort to check these things in the uk so not checking Prague was a school boy error.
I was mortified on entering the casino and then being faced by a flight of 12 rather steep steps down to cardroom floor, and when asking where the lift was and being told there wasnt one my stress levels rose and Emma was ready to catch the next flight home :(.
Now as it happened if i knew the information before hand i would definatly not of agreed to make the trip to Prague, it would of just not been the right thing to do.. But the honour of being England skip and defending my ECOAP title rather i think i would of travelled to Timbukto :D.
Im 110% sure this is just a honest oversight on APATs part, Des understood from the word go the upheavle for myself differs from most other members and understood if it was not a viable trip then he would understand my decision not to commit.. Im sure if Des or anyone else had been to the cardroom before hand realised the lack of facilities then i would of been told and not offered the position.. As i have already said it was a error on my behalf to assume the lift would be there :(.
Lets not worry about this anymore its the past ;D.. The support offered to me was bloody incredible!! in true APAT style the guys got together and just simply constructed an awesome "human elevator" of my very own simples.. Kev was amazing and i know from overhearing him speak that he wasnt drinking excessivley because he wanted to make sure i got back up the stairs in one piece :D what a true star!!
ECOAP was immense! lets not forget this, apart from the obv dissapointment not winning the team event for me and not defending my title, the poker, fun, people, friends old and new, and all round awsomeness of the few days outweighed the few hurdles put in my path.
Roll on WCOAP !!
Des:
--- Quote from: fandango on December 10, 2013, 17:15:17 PM ---
Would like to put my own views on what has been mentioned above..
Paulie hit the nail on the head.. i was indeed "lied" to by the hotel, i (Emma) make every effort to ensure where ever we stay the disabled facilities are adequate for my needs.
I was in contact with the Akcent via email a few times regarding the disabled access they had and promised me that access into the hotel was "disabled friendly", this was clearly not the case on arrival with a flight of stairs into reception and then a ramp to get to the reception desk wich was basically a joke!! Emma in fact injured her back trying to push me up the ramp, this put an instant dampner onto the start of the trip. The room was spacious as promised and comfatable for the time i spent in there.
The casino... hmmmm well i "presumed" as the casino was part of the hotel that indeed it would have lifts and disabled facilaties :), so didnt call and confirm that this was the case, and this was a error on my behalf! as stated above i make every effort to check these things in the uk so not checking Prague was a school boy error.
I was mortified on entering the casino and then being faced by a flight of 12 rather steep steps down to cardroom floor, and when asking where the lift was and being told there wasnt one my stress levels rose and Emma was ready to catch the next flight home :(.
Now as it happened if i knew the information before hand i would definatly not of agreed to make the trip to Prague, it would of just not been the right thing to do.. But the honour of being England skip and defending my ECOAP title rather i think i would of travelled to Timbukto :D.
Im 110% sure this is just a honest oversight on APATs part, Des understood from the word go the upheavle for myself differs from most other members and understood if it was not a viable trip then he would understand my decision not to commit.. Im sure if Des or anyone else had been to the cardroom before hand realised the lack of facilities then i would of been told and not offered the position.. As i have already said it was a error on my behalf to assume the lift would be there :(.
Lets not worry about this anymore its the past ;D.. The support offered to me was bloody incredible!! in true APAT style the guys got together and just simply constructed an awesome "human elevator" of my very own simples.. Kev was amazing and i know from overhearing him speak that he wasnt drinking excessivley because he wanted to make sure i got back up the stairs in one piece :D what a true star!!
ECOAP was immense! lets not forget this, apart from the obv dissapointment not winning the team event for me and not defending my title, the poker, fun, people, friends old and new, and all round awsomeness of the few days outweighed the few hurdles put in my path.
Roll on WCOAP !!
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Absolutely shocked to hear this Carl and you have my heartfelt apologies.
When I booked this tournament several months ago it was not made clear that the venue was not wheelchair friendly, and had it been made clear I can assure you I wouldn"t have agreed to send APAT there, or indeed Everest Poker. Similarly Tom has had detailed player briefing discussions with them and again this situation was not identified. I should have picked it up, so hands up from me, and I"m truly sorry that this impacted your and Emma"s trip.
Two things I"ll say - 1) I"ll be voicing by dissatisfaction in the strongest terms to the festival organiser; who we are dealing with at the highest level. 2) We"ll never go back to this venue unless this disgraceful situation is rectified. Whether we have any disabled players in the field or not.
Finally, thanks to the community for supporting Carl"s needs in Prague. That"s a great thing and is what makes this group of people extraordinary.
fandango:
--- Quote from: Curlarge on December 10, 2013, 14:30:14 PM ---
It appears on the surface that tagging onto a prestigious european festival was more important than the considerations of one on the team captains. Carl as always took it in stride, and tried to smile it off, but the fact remains that this was a "disabled hostile" casino and following his selection,his event should not have been held here, however good it was for the rest of us.
I would hate to think that prestige was put before member consideration, but I fear that this may have been the case here.
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Disagree here.. The venue was infact one of the best i have played, the dealers, TD, beer, food (once delivered), tables etc etc cant fault imo.
The event should of been held there 100%, the skipper should not of been me, or i should of investigated the event before booking flights, hotel etc etc..
Also from experience some countries ideas of "disabled friendly" are 1,000,000 miles away from here in the UK and USA ;D
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