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WCOAP TEAM EVENT
AMRN:
--- Quote from: ian.ski309 on December 12, 2013, 09:43:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: MintTrav on December 12, 2013, 05:31:01 AM --- There may an example somewhere, but I can"t think of another competitive activity where the previous team is selected en-masse, because they won the last time, ahead of the currently better-performing players.
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The idea of the same individuals defending their APAT team title is one I happen to agree with... but I can also understand why denying a huge number of English players the opportunity to participate in a WCOAP for two whole years is going to cause irritation.
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It"s only really likely to be an issue if an England team wins. Most other countries that have won team events in the past have been able to defend with the same players, simply because there are no other players available (France, Poland, etc come to mind). The fact that England won it this year for the first time is probably why this topic is only being discussed now for the first time.
ian.ski309:
--- Quote from: AMRN on December 12, 2013, 10:07:54 AM ---
--- Quote from: ian.ski309 on December 12, 2013, 09:43:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: MintTrav on December 12, 2013, 05:31:01 AM --- There may an example somewhere, but I can"t think of another competitive activity where the previous team is selected en-masse, because they won the last time, ahead of the currently better-performing players.
--- End quote ---
The idea of the same individuals defending their APAT team title is one I happen to agree with... but I can also understand why denying a huge number of English players the opportunity to participate in a WCOAP for two whole years is going to cause irritation.
--- End quote ---
It"s only really likely to be an issue if an England team wins. Most other countries that have won team events in the past have been able to defend with the same players, simply because there are no other players available (France, Poland, etc come to mind). The fact that England won it this year for the first time is probably why this topic is only being discussed now for the first time.
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No argument from me, but it doesn"t make the issue any less relevant.
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: AMRN on December 12, 2013, 10:07:54 AM ---
--- Quote from: ian.ski309 on December 12, 2013, 09:43:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: MintTrav on December 12, 2013, 05:31:01 AM --- There may an example somewhere, but I can"t think of another competitive activity where the previous team is selected en-masse, because they won the last time, ahead of the currently better-performing players.
--- End quote ---
The idea of the same individuals defending their APAT team title is one I happen to agree with... but I can also understand why denying a huge number of English players the opportunity to participate in a WCOAP for two whole years is going to cause irritation.
--- End quote ---
It"s only really likely to be an issue if an England team wins. Most other countries that have won team events in the past have been able to defend with the same players, simply because there are no other players available (France, Poland, etc come to mind). The fact that England won it this year for the first time is probably why this topic is only being discussed now for the first time.
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It happened with Wales in 2010 and 2011.
At that time you could easily have picked a second Welsh team who would have been competitive, people not selected that year who were available at the time included myself (number 1 ranked live player), Ben Young (World Champion and double gold medalist), Warren Jones (Champion of Champions and number one online player), Darren Shallis (3 final tables that season and 6 overall and gold medalist) and Gary Phillips (numerous deep runs in WCOAP), there were a number of others as well, so the situation has most definitely occurred before.
All of the community from Wales were 100% behind the re-selection of that team though (as far as I know) as, it just seemed right the champions should get to defend. This situation seems to be almost the same.
AMRN:
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on December 12, 2013, 11:16:22 AM ---
All of the community from Wales were 100% behind the re-selection of that team though (as far as I know) as, it just seemed right the champions should get to defend. This situation seems to be almost the same.
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Big difference - that was Wales. We"re talking about England now, and we English have it in our very nature to not celebrate success, or to find positivity where there is an opportunity to find negativity instead.
It"s the taking part that counts you know, old chap!
KarmaDope:
--- Quote from: s4ooter on December 12, 2013, 09:38:47 AM ---
There is lots of mentions from England players about how many medals they have won representing England prior.
If youve won 3 medals, as an England player, surely thats time to move aside.
We are in Season 7 and have lots of good players, surely its time to let other players have a stab in the dark.
I would be interested to see numbers on how many different players have represented England in Homes, Euros and Worlds and how many times each of them have played. Also how many medals they have won doing so.
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I have had a basic look at this. Ignored the home internationals as they provided multiple teams for the home nations and would have skewed the data.
As far as I can tell, we have had 4 European Team Championships and 3 World Team Championships, but without a true archive I can only go by Live Update threads!
The results were as follows (caps, not medals) with all players not in bold receiving their only cap.
Asa McGrath
Steve Redfern - 4
Carl Pilgrim - 2
Tony Trippier - 3
Stuart Ward - 2
Rob Swindells
James Barber
George Bedi
Brian Yates - 2
Paul Haycock - 2
Charles Mason
John Miller
Neil Blatchley
Simon Auckland
Linda Iwaniak
Bob Malin
Steve Stringer
Richard Baker - 2
Alan Armitage
Dan Patterson
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