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When good play just isn't enough
AJDUK:
If you use Chrome or one of its derivatives then Rich only plays with 3 hole cards.
However if you use IE or firefox he plays with the standard 4.
Starting to think it"s time to ditch Chrome; there"s tons of stuff it just doesn"t work with where other browsers do.
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: Jokha on December 31, 2013, 20:49:02 PM ---
Post should be titled "When good starting hands aren"t enough" :P Or "Why pairs in your hole cards are trouble in PLO"
If you"re up against a bare over-pair in PLO, then you"re fine calling a pot bet on the flop with one pair (where you"ve hit the flop) and a gut shot. Of course you have to be pretty sure that your opponent does indeed have an over-pair and hasn"t properly connected with the flop. Hand equity stats below for your exit hand (on the flop), from PLO odds calculator tool at http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tools/odds-calculator/omaha:-
Your hand: 46.22%
Your opponent"s hand: 53.78%
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This only looks at one part of the hand though there is a lot more too it than that.
This is me talking about a PLO tournament so please ignore everything that I say as it is most unlikely to be right. The first hand is obviously played totally fine ds aces, with some connectivity and you get it all in pre. As far as the maths goes you actually get it in as an 80% favorite in that hand which is about as good as you ever can in PLO but from your perspective the hand should play itself anyway.
The second hand his min raise is on the face of it very poor as his hand is really horrible. You don"t mention position and it might have been fine if he raised from the cut off say and people were folding it it but it looks bad. With your hand I prefer a full pot raise to 37500, than the raise to 30K. you then have an 82500 pot post flop when he calls you instead of a 67500 pot. It makes his call more of a mistake and means you can shove the flop as you will have less than a PSB behind (ie you have 72500 in your stack instead of 80000). When you have an overpair you want to be able to shove the flop. I would guess this would be the most profitable way for you to play the hand. From my limited experience people just do not fold for 20K into a pot of 47500. THEY HAVE FOUR CARDS YOU KNOW THAT LOADS OF WAYS OF WINNING ;-)
Given that you will have a pot of 82500 and only have 72500 behind you only need to flop 46.7% equity on the flop to be profitable. Against his actual hand you flop that around 71% of the time so by potting it pre flop you make more money long term than by raising to 30K, you also have a small chance of getting him to fold. Against his actual hand we are about 47.6% to win on the flop so with the money already in the pot it is extremely profitable to get it in, when the flop comes down we are more than a 47% against his range I think though so overall you play the hand profitably on every street. We just would have been even more profitable if we had potted it pre here.
Maybe one of the btter PLO players like Steve or Stu can confirm what I am saying here.
nb: I assume the 5c is either 5s in either his hand or on the board as it can"t be in both :-)
Sugar_Free:
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on January 01, 2014, 10:41:49 AM ---
nb: I assume the 5c is either 5s in either his hand or on the board as it can"t be in both :-)
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A pair of 5 of clubs trumps everything, Curly was drawing dead on the river.
ps I"m using Chrome and the ad1 was clear as day
AJDUK:
--- Quote from: Sugar_Free on January 01, 2014, 10:57:51 AM ---
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on January 01, 2014, 10:41:49 AM ---
ps I"m using Chrome and the ad1 was clear as day
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Turned adblocker off and bingo. Thanks Matt.
Curlarge:
--- Quote from: Jokha on December 31, 2013, 22:07:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: Curlarge on December 31, 2013, 22:01:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jokha on December 31, 2013, 20:49:02 PM ---
Post should be titled "When good starting hands aren"t enough" :P Or "Why pairs in your hole cards are trouble in PLO"
If you"re up against a bare over-pair in PLO, then you"re fine calling a pot bet on the flop with one pair (where you"ve hit the flop) and a gut shot. Of course you have to be pretty sure that your opponent does indeed have an over-pair and hasn"t properly connected with the flop. Hand equity stats below for your exit hand (on the flop), from PLO odds calculator tool at http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tools/odds-calculator/omaha:-
Your hand: 46.22%
Your opponent"s hand: 53.78%
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Surely he cant be a favourite with a pair of 5"s and a gut shot to a 4 outter?
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In addition to their two-pair draws and runner-runner outs, yep. Had to guess that your 4th card in that hand was something inconsequential (only saw KKQ in your OP).
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My hand was Ad Qd Kc Kh
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