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Chipaccrual:

--- Quote from: IrishTom on January 07, 2014, 12:53:46 PM ---
Or this:

17 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.1.1 NLHE STT (2 members)
17 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.2.1 PLO STT (1 member)
17 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.3.1 PLO 08 STT (1 member)
17 Apr "on demand" WCOAP #5.4 HU matches (4 members)

18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.1.2 NLHE STT (2 members)
18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.2.2 PLO STT (1 member)
18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.3.3 PLO 08 STT (1 member)
18 Apr 19:00 WCOAP #5.5 NLHE MTT (4 members)



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I think that works well

TheSnapper:

--- Quote from: Chipaccrual on January 07, 2014, 13:52:39 PM ---

--- Quote from: IrishTom on January 07, 2014, 12:53:46 PM ---
Or this:

17 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.1.1 NLHE STT (2 members)
17 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.2.1 PLO STT (1 member)
17 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.3.1 PLO 08 STT (1 member)
17 Apr "on demand" WCOAP #5.4 HU matches (4 members)

18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.1.2 NLHE STT (2 members)
18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.2.2 PLO STT (1 member)
18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.3.3 PLO 08 STT (1 member)
18 Apr 19:00 WCOAP #5.5 NLHE MTT (4 members)



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I think that works well

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Not sure about the long term viability of this format, its basically a 50% NLH 50% omaha event. When you consider that representing in these events is the pinnacle for most members in our predominantly NLH association.

I do realise that I somewhat contradict my earlier post on the subject but feel this changed format is somewhat likely to raise the real and perceived competency level given it"s likely impact on the Team selection process.

Added to the already limited player availability faced by the smaller represented Nations, this could be a short term success with very detrimental long term implications. Not sure how many players we have who would be happy to fill the almost exclusive role of Team PLO player?

I love the idea from personal point of view, just trying to tease out how it might develop long term.

IrishTom:

--- Quote from: TheSnapper on January 07, 2014, 14:29:14 PM ---

--- Quote from: Chipaccrual on January 07, 2014, 13:52:39 PM ---

--- Quote from: IrishTom on January 07, 2014, 12:53:46 PM ---
Or this:

17 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.1.1 NLHE STT (2 members)
17 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.2.1 PLO STT (1 member)
17 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.3.1 PLO 08 STT (1 member)
17 Apr "on demand" WCOAP #5.4 HU matches (4 members)

18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.1.2 NLHE STT (2 members)
18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.2.2 PLO STT (1 member)
18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.3.3 PLO 08 STT (1 member)
18 Apr 19:00 WCOAP #5.5 NLHE MTT (4 members)



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I think that works well

--- End quote ---


Not sure about the long term viability of this format, its basically a 50% NLH 50% omaha event. When you consider that representing in these events is the pinnacle for most members in our predominantly NLH association.

I do realise that I somewhat contradict my earlier post on the subject but feel this changed format is somewhat likely to raise the real and perceived competency level given it"s likely impact on the Team selection process.

Added to the already limited player availability faced by the smaller represented Nations, this could be a short term success with very detrimental long term implications. Not sure how many players we have who would be happy to fill the almost exclusive role of Team PLO player?

I love the idea from personal point of view, just trying to tease out how it might develop long term.



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Yes potentially asking for each team to supply 2 PLO players is asking too much - but not as much as we are currently asking (all 4 members play each STT) - another idea would be to have the PLO events on 2 separate days (thereby only "needing" 1 PLO player):

17 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.1 NLHE STT (3 members)  
17 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.2 PLO 08 STT (1 member)  
17 Apr "on demand" WCOAP #5.3 HU Matches (4 members)

18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.4 NLHE STT (3 members)
18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.5 PLO STT (1 member)
18 Apr 19:00 WCOAP #5.6 NLHE MTT (4 member)

Paulie_D:

--- Quote from: TheSnapper on January 07, 2014, 14:29:14 PM ---
our predominantly NLH association.

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We"re a predominantly POKER association...it"s just that most members haven"t bothered (or don"t care) to learn variants other than NLHE.

IMO this is something APAT should be addressing (more)....there"s an incredible range of poker variants out there that are a darn sight more fun than grinding at NLHE.

I know that the few I have encouraged to play PLO/PLO8, in general, much prefer it to HE.

One of the biggest stumbling blocks to any progress on this has, of course, been the limited talent pool available in the UK casino dealer pool that are actually aware of these variants, let alone know how to deal them or the rules that apply....and we hate to self-deal in APAT...don"t we?

I"ve actually had to teach dealers how 7-card stud is played....Stud Hi/Lo would have been a nightmare. :)

Asking MORE of teams representing their countries is something to be encouraged.

TheSnapper:

--- Quote from: IrishTom on January 07, 2014, 14:51:12 PM ---

but not as much as we are currently asking (all 4 members play each STT)


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Am I alone in thinking there is a big difference between the current.....

Team of four with combined NLH and Omaha skills?

and the proposed....

Team of four with 2 x NLH specialists and 2 x Omaha specialists?

Will this will impact Team selection strategy?
Will some Teams be disadvantaged?

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