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TheSnapper:
Using a HH converter for these makes it so much easier to analyse.

Is it just me that finds multiple hands per thread very confusing?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 5.5 Tournament, 700/1,400 Blinds 175 Ante (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

SB (t37,320)
BB (t24,254)
UTG (t49,856)
UTG+1 (t64,221)
MP1 (t77,299)
MP2 (t19,435)
CO (t51,026)
Hero (Button) (t87,625)

Hero"s M: 25.04

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 7
4 folds, CO raises to t2,800, Hero raises to t5,895, 2 folds, CO calls t3,095

Flop: (t15,290) 8, 7, Q (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets t6,885, CO calls t6,885

Turn: (t29,060) 3 (2 players)
CO bets t2,800, Hero calls t2,800

River: (t34,660) 4 (2 players)
CO bets t4,200, Hero raises to t10,015, CO calls t5,815

Total pot: t54,690

Hand 1: I call river but probably check back turn, is turn bet for value? Also, I suspect you need to be more diligent with note taking. To even categorise as Loose passive - Tight aggressive can be a big help.

Hand 2: Turn flat to villains weak "where am I" bet is like a green light to these types. On a positive note, you have to be putting yourself in these spots to improve your postflop game.

mporter123:
Very happy value betting that turn. I think that, given player type, lower pocket pairs are not folding, can value bet lots of rivers too albeit thinly.. Also helps protect my hand against broadway combos on the turn.

Hand 2 is just a car crash. Raise turn jam river maybe!  

noble1:
all poker players DO NOT play an unexploitable strategy, THE COUNTER STRATEGY isn"t to try bluffing unexploitably, the decision tree for this is about a billion billion......
u exploit for a greater profit by playing a non-optimal exploitable counterstrategy but for that u need to know the strategy a player is using to determine the appropriate counterstrategy? plus what if your opponent/s change there strategy?

so are $4 mtts the best place to get a good idea of one single opponents frequencies and habits?

imho in mtts u can play a solid type style, a high variance try to win chips style so u can bluff a bit more lol to gain or lose later or a mixture of both strategies...

the hand above [2nd one] is ok"ish until the the river imo, quote - His hand just looked a lot like what it was - a one pair hand trying to get to showdown.
so the river re-raise sizing is way to small imho.... and remember to embrace and accept that things will go tits up when u are trying to use a high variance try to win chips style [lag or maniac whatver u want to call it].. :)

TheSnapper:

--- Quote from: mporter123 on February 25, 2014, 14:53:46 PM ---

Very happy value betting that turn. I think that, given player type, lower pocket pairs are not folding, can value bet lots of rivers too albeit thinly.. Also helps protect my hand against broadway combos on the turn.


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My impression is that 3b pots tend to play out more straightforwardly postflop, you really think there are 3 streets of value here with bottom pair.

I understand that 99-JJ will peel the flop here but I would defo expect all broadway hands other than Qx and flush draws to check fold the flop, even in the hands of this obvious station.

Maybe this being a value line explains the very small sizing but we really should be trying to bluff versus villains extremely weak turn donk, there are ~23bb"s in the pot at that stage.

dwh103:

--- Quote from: noble1 on February 25, 2014, 15:41:27 PM ---
all poker players DO NOT play an unexploitable strategy, THE COUNTER STRATEGY isn"t to try bluffing unexploitably, the decision tree for this is about a billion billion......
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Wouldn"t worry about that, that was just an in-joke ;)

Can"t add to what already has been said. Hand 2 is FPS in the wrong tournament without reads as you. It"s not a terrible idea as Brendan says, and I agree with Dean in that I prefer raising turn and can"t expect a fold on the river.

Whilst I like the blocker and the equity aspect of 3b bluffing with Ax, I do prefer a wheel kicker and suited.

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