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Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on May 20, 2014, 11:10:53 AM ---
All the above said Des and Tom know how to do this far better than I do so I am not saying it can"t work but think it would be a good idea to take Brendan"s advice and partner with an Irish promoter.
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Steve, perhaps it"s not clear from the announcement that the PLO is, in fact, in partnership with a promoter otherwise we"d be in a casino.
It"s Lorand (Larry) Santo, a long time and much respected poker events manager in Ireland who TDs at many Main Events in Ireland and can often be found in the early hours of most major Irish events running their cash game tables, including the IPO, Irish Open, UKIPT Galway etc.
I"m sure that he wouldn"t put it on if he didn"t feel there would be ample support.
However, it"s not until January, and all we have are the bare bones. We don"t know how many seats there will be or the structure so there"s still a lot of unknowns.
That said, now that Des has said it"s on and won;t be changed, I will be booking flights as soon as Aer Lingus put out their January flights from Southend.
KarmaDope:
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on May 20, 2014, 11:10:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: sharplea on May 19, 2014, 19:22:47 PM ---
James, I really am struggling to understand why you are adamant that the Dublin leg should be changed back to NLHE? Do you not believe that APAT should try new things to attract new members? I can understand Brendan"s/Damo"s POV because they live around the corner and it is their "home" leg so to speak, and also that they do not play PLO, but confused as to why you are so against it (and really the only one fighting for it).
You can see from posts above (Paulie, Stu, DodgyEnd, Ger, Rodders etc) that there are more than a few people willing to go to Ireland BECAUSE it is PLO. On top of that, it is well known in the UK that PLO tournaments do not work over here. DTD struggle to get runners for PLO. APAT struggle to get runners for PLO in their side events. If I were in Des/Tom/Matt's shoes, I would much rather try somewhere unknown than somewhere where bigger tours than APAT have tried, and failed miserably. Ireland to me seems the best chance of success for this event. Over the last 2 seasons, Ireland NLHE APAT main events have had
Sugar_Free:
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on May 20, 2014, 11:10:53 AM ---
Personally I think the only support we have got is from people who to be quite honest would have gone whatever. From what I can read the only people who have said they will go because it is PLO are Tom, Paulie and Stu
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FWIW I"m much more likely to go now that it"s PLO
Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: HERBIEHACKIT on May 20, 2014, 08:07:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on May 19, 2014, 11:21:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: HERBIEHACKIT on May 19, 2014, 11:05:24 AM ---
apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event. apat need to attract local and players from afar. it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that. my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem and plo will reduce the field further. given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure.
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I pretty much disagree with every point made there.
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really. enlighten please
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Ok, I was going to just agree to disagree but...
--- Quote ---apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event.
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APAT is a tour and the reason for that is to bring low stakes well-structured tournament to locals who otherwise would not see them.
The tour is absolutely about locals.
--- Quote ---if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event.
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Sorry...that"s just nonsense...If an event sells out with all locals then it"s a success regardless. If it gets a very poor turnout then one could argue that the event has failed.
The only time that this has happened is, basically, Ireland in recent years..to my knowledge.
--- Quote ---apat need to attract local and players from afar.
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Not strictly true....APAT likes the fact that members are willing to travel quite long distances to play "away" but they don"t NEED then to turn up. As I said, as long as the event is well supported APAT doesn"t mind where they come from.
--- Quote --- it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that.
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Actually, this one is on the money, it is hoped that PLO will attract more locals....nothing else seems to*...I know that the UK players who are willing to travel will only be a small proportion of the full field...but that has been the case at most "distant" events.
*I do not include our already loyal local contingent who are, unfortunately, relatively small in number.
--- Quote ---my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem
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If you mean the travel cost, then it"s the perceived cost. It"s already been demonstrated that with advance planning the difference in cost between Dublin, Edinburgh, Leeds, Bristol is very small.
If you mean the cost of "living"...that"s somewhat true..a pint in an Irish pub is more than one in a UK pub....but I"ve had some expensive pints in casinos and big city pubs too.
--- Quote ---plo will reduce the field further
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Time will tell. It"s certainly not true in my case and some of the "objections" weren"t over the fact that it was PLO, it was over the choice to have the first PLO "main" outside of the UK. Many have said that they"d love to play a 2-day PLO if it was in Coventry or Stratford (and that may still happen).
--- Quote ---given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important
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I disagree slightly with this...attracting more players FULL STOP is what is being attempted. Where they come from is not really relevant.
Will PLO turn off some of our regular loyal locals? Apparently it will and that is to be regretted but, as has been said, the alternative was nothing so, in effect, they are no worse off.
Their choices were for "no event" or an "event they won"t play"
--- Quote ---unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure
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It may turn out that this will be doomed to failure, I hope not, but at least APAT tried. If it does flop, then at least a lesson has been learned and perhaps teaming with a promoter for a NLHE event in Ireland will be on the S9 schedule.
Sorry to go on so long..but you asked. :)
Fatcatstu:
Paulie in diplomatic response to antagonising question shocker.
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