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Chipaccrual:
Knew I could rely on you Phil :) TY
Curlarge:
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Paulie in diplomatic response to antagonising question shocker.
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This high blood pressure thingy must be affecting his judgement. "we want our old Paulie Back, we want our old.........." ;)
Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: Curlarge on May 21, 2014, 03:31:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on May 20, 2014, 14:02:18 PM ---
Paulie in diplomatic response to antagonising question shocker.
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This high blood pressure thingy must be affecting his judgement. "we want our old Paulie Back, we want our old.........." ;)
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Feck "Orf!
Happy now? :)
IrishTom:
Hi All, apologies for not commenting earlier but I was tied up since Friday running a team event in Yorkshire.
I don"t feel I can add much more to the discussion than Des has already covered, so, moving forward...
We"re just putting the finishing touches to the Season 8 Player Ranking/Leaderboard, reviewing the Cash Tournament rules (which I"ll publish for comment/feedback) and finalising the Bristol Player Briefing - and expect this/next week to release additional details for the Season 8 schedule which will include dates for online events - National Online League, National Cup, Online (equivalent) Amateur Poker Championship(s) and Satellites for live events - along with Holding Tank details for Bristol.
I will open a separate forum thread for S8 WCOAP feedback, and views for what you feel may be good, or bad, for S8 WCOAP, to allow us to finalise our options and desire to make Season 8 even bigger and better, and more accessible.
HERBIEHACKIT:
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--- Quote from: Paulie_D on May 19, 2014, 11:21:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: HERBIEHACKIT on May 19, 2014, 11:05:24 AM ---
apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event. apat need to attract local and players from afar. it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that. my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem and plo will reduce the field further. given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure.
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I pretty much disagree with every point made there.
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really. enlighten please
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Ok, I was going to just agree to disagree but...
--- Quote ---apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event.
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please use all of my comments instead of snippets to suit your argument.
i repeat apat needs both local and regs at games. if only to give credibility to national euro and world titles. a game without travelling players cannot claim to be a welsh, english or world championship. otherwise my local can hold a world championship next monday and fill it with bar regs.
APAT is a tour and the reason for that is to bring low stakes well-structured tournament to locals who otherwise would not see them.
The tour is absolutely about locals. as above.
--- Quote ---if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event.
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Sorry...that"s just nonsense...If an event sells out with all locals then it"s a success regardless.
it could not claim to be a national titled game though. well it could but in name only.
The only time that this has happened is, basically, Ireland in recent years..to my knowledge.
--- Quote ---apat need to attract local and players from afar.
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Not strictly true....APAT likes the fact that members are willing to travel quite long distances to play "away" but they don"t NEED then to turn up. As I said, as long as the event is well supported APAT doesn"t mind where they come from.
ref above
--- Quote --- it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that.
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Actually, this one is on the money, it is hoped that PLO will attract more locals....nothing else seems to*...I know that the UK players who are willing to travel will only be a small proportion of the full field...but that has been the case at most "distant" events.
nhl is by far more popular than plo.hence plo will never get more players than nlh
*I do not include our already loyal local contingent who are, unfortunately, relatively small in number.
--- Quote ---my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem
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If you mean the travel cost, then it"s the perceived cost. It"s already been demonstrated that with advance planning the difference in cost between Dublin, Edinburgh, Leeds, Bristol is very small.
If you mean the cost of "living"...that"s somewhat true..a pint in an Irish pub is more than one in a UK pub....but I"ve had some expensive pints in casinos and big city pubs too.
yes i mean cost of living. we have all paid over the top for a pint or two. that is not the point, the fact is it does not help when trying to get players to travel, that the said place is expensive.
--- Quote ---plo will reduce the field further
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Time will tell. It"s certainly not true in my case and some of the "objections" weren"t over the fact that it was PLO, it was over the choice to have the first PLO "main" outside of the UK. Many have said that they"d love to play a 2-day PLO if it was in Coventry or Stratford (and that may still happen).
--- Quote ---given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important
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I disagree slightly with this...attracting more players FULL STOP is what is being attempted. Where they come from is not really relevant.
thought your target was locals. at least we agree on something in that attracting more players full stop. however need both local and travelling players.
Will PLO turn off some of our regular loyal locals? Apparently it will and that is to be regretted but, as has been said, the alternative was nothing so, in effect, they are no worse off.
Their choices were for "no event" or an "event they won"t play"
there was no need to drop nlh. just give it the promotion that plo is getting. then you would have an even bigger field.
--- Quote ---unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure
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It may turn out that this will be doomed to failure, I hope not, but at least APAT tried. If it does flop, then at least a lesson has been learned and perhaps teaming with a promoter for a NLHE event in Ireland will be on the S9 schedule.
i dont think any apater wants to see an event fail.
Sorry to go on so long..but you asked. :)
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anyway i am done with this now. i will not be there as not prepared to play a main event of plo because i do not like the game and no nlh is not my favourite game.
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