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MTT question...
AMRN:
but surely now that you"re at the business end of the tourney, the opportunity to ladder through the money must also be a consideration. If you shove here and just take the blinds, you have not undergone the risk that a flop brings, and have given yourself another orbit for free..... that"s another 9+ hands in which you might catch a monster, or others will get knocked out. (and as you are currently UTG+1, that is actually 16 hands before you are in the BB of the next orbit)
I appreciate that we all play to win, and first place is the ulitmate and primary target, but at what cost? Having played for a reasonable amount of time to get this deep, it could well be beneficial to just take the blinds in this hand, and then watch the carnage happen around you for the next 16 hands.
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: AMRN on July 10, 2008, 16:16:47 PM ---
but surely now that you"re at the business end of the tourney, the opportunity to ladder through the money must also be a consideration. If you shove here and just take the blinds, you have not undergone the risk that a flop brings, and have given yourself another orbit for free..... that"s another 9+ hands in which you might catch a monster, or others will get knocked out. (and as you are currently UTG+1, that is actually 16 hands before you are in the BB of the next orbit)
I appreciate that we all play to win, and first place is the ulitmate and primary target, but at what cost? Having played for a reasonable amount of time to get this deep, it could well be beneficial to just take the blinds in this hand, and then watch the carnage happen around you for the next 16 hands.
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I appreciate that point of view and I can understand it.
If I limped, somebody shoved and he got 3 callers before it came back to me - I would certainly consider folding (with the likelihood that 3 players were likely to be knocked out or crippled in this hand).
But I don"t think I would consider laddering up to much until the difference between each payout was quite considerable (compared to the buy in) - generally I"d say this wouldn"t start until the final table at least.
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 10, 2008, 16:06:46 PM ---
That is where I want to be at that stage of a tournament - among the chip leaders (where I want to be) - or out (where I usually am)
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FYP
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 10, 2008, 15:52:46 PM ---
But that only applies to the big blind.
It completely ignores the chances of someone shoving after you, and it completely ignores the fact that whilst it would be good for the big blind to shove post flop on any flop - people mainly won"t do it when they"ve completely missed (which they"re likely to) and/or they"re holding rags (which they"re likely to) - it"s all well and good saying, "if I"m holding JT in the BB" - but you"re much more likely to be holding 10,4 or J5 or similar.
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OK - so they"re holding T4 or J5. You"re giving them a chance to correctly limp and then go ahead.
--- Quote ---Most of the time in that scenario (IMO) the big blind won"t shove post flop.
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But if they do you"re not laying down your hand, are you?
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: Kinboshi on July 10, 2008, 17:07:37 PM ---
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But if they do you"re not laying down your hand, are you?
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No but I"m confident that most of the time they won"t do it and most of the rest of the time they"re just bluffing (assuming I have something like AK and have missed and will fold).
--- Quote from: Kinboshi on July 10, 2008, 17:04:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 10, 2008, 16:06:46 PM ---
That is where I want to be at that stage of a tournament - among the chip leaders (where I want to be) - or out (where I usually am)
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FYP
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Essentially I"m just suggesting that in some very specific circumstances [such as this one (if the table was playing tight - which wasn"t specified)] that it would be worth slow playing 9"s.
9"s are the lowest hand I would consider this in any circumstances.
Would you ever consider slow playing Aces in the same position?
or Kings, Queens etc?
What would be the lowest? For me - it"s nines.
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