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antthecat:
thank you so much for the address and start time. special thanks to haworthbanta as the link you gave has given me all the information that i need. it was worth taking the long shot in asking(like me taking a long shot playing in the razz event but it is worth a go) and thanks again for the info to fix my primera.
hope to see some regular faces at london sorry to hear that simon wont be playing razz but hope to see everyone from yarmouth.
good luck at the tables

Ant The Cat

WarBwastardo:
Any chance we could increase the chip stacks to 5,000 for this event?  ;D

lincolini:

--- Quote from: WarBwastard on July 31, 2008, 11:44:43 AM ---
Any chance we could increase the chip stacks to 5,000 for this event?  ;D

--- End quote ---


I"m going to request the same thing, and try and give a good case as to why. The same ideas apply to the Stud event too.

Basically its well known that in any Limit event, the average stack for the middle-late part of the tourney is 10 big bets. This is the natural point where you have enough short stacks that people drop out regularly.

Therefore, if we assume the event will be full there will be 50 x 3000 chips in play: 150,000.

If you assume we get to 4 people left, they will have an average of 37500. Therefore by level 14 with limits of 1500/3000, they will have less than 10 big bets each. Because the blinds double within 2 levels after this, going to 2000/4000 then 3000/6000, the tourney will not run much longer than this.

If we assume there is not an abnormal heads up match, it will easily be done before level 16, 4000/8000. This is of course a total of 8 hours play. Dont get me wrong, for a stud and a razz tournament to be in the UK is reason enough to be happy. And even the structure as descirbed above is not bad.

However, my proposal is actually to increase the stack to 4,000, believing it not just be be a round number picked from air, but an increase that gives a little extra playablitiy to the tournaments, and does not lead to an excessive finishing time.

This is becuase, with 50 runners at 4000 chips each, there are 200,000 chips in play. Therefore when 4 handed, average will be 50,000. This means the 2000/4000 and 3000/6000 levels still retain some play. I would expect this tournament to be completed before the end of 8000/16000, and it will pretty much never get beyond 10000/20000, which is 10 hours of play. Even with breaks, this will not take the 2 lucky heads up players beyond 2am. Sure thats a long day, but how often do you get an opportunity to play these events?

I hope what I"ve said makes sense (and that its correct!) and I hope the APAT will consider my thoughts.

Look forward to the day.

lincolini:
Sorry to make my post even longer, but a few things I missed.

The reason to increase the starting stack is simply to allow more play in the early and middle stages. With 3000 starting stack, play will be limited by the 200/400 level, but with 4k people get an extra half hour of relative comfort. This thousand makes a lot of difference early on, the extra 33% of chips dont make for a much longer tourney overall.

Id also just like to note a well done and thanks to the APAT for putting on these limit events. And dont get me wrong. The tourney as it is at the moment is ok. Its very playable infact. It"s just that this small alteration could make it really good, and wouldnt actually make it go on too long, as I hope I showed above.

IBangU:
lincolini, I fully endorse everything you say. Id be delighted to see the starting stack increase to 4000, or hopefully even 5000.

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