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WCOAP 2015 - Cash Tournament Feedback
Sugar_Free:
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I was gonna play this one, but now not so sure. I"m not rolled to play £100 cash games effectively, and whilst introducing unlimited reloads does indeed make it more akin to a natural cash game, it takes it away from the low cost approach for which APAT is famous. I would take a punt with a couple of buy ins, but those with deep pockets can abuse this and will have a significant advantage - and that kinda goes against what APAT is supposed to stand for.
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I agree with Steve (gasp). I thought the idea was rather than make it just feel like a cash game, it was supposed to have the feel of a tourney in that at some stage your tournament life could be on the line so that you don"t just get the "F*** it" calls, followed by another reload.
Where next? Unlimited rebuys in the sides?
LombBomb:
--- Quote from: Sugar_Free on April 14, 2015, 10:53:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: AMRN on April 14, 2015, 09:37:51 AM ---
I was gonna play this one, but now not so sure. I"m not rolled to play £100 cash games effectively, and whilst introducing unlimited reloads does indeed make it more akin to a natural cash game, it takes it away from the low cost approach for which APAT is famous. I would take a punt with a couple of buy ins, but those with deep pockets can abuse this and will have a significant advantage - and that kinda goes against what APAT is supposed to stand for.
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I agree with Steve (gasp). I thought the idea was rather than make it just feel like a cash game, it was supposed to have the feel of a tourney in that at some stage your tournament life could be on the line so that you don"t just get the "F*** it" calls, followed by another reload.
Where next? Unlimited rebuys in the sides?
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Matt and Steve have put this better than I could, I totally echo their thoughts.
jgcblack:
I agree with the points above... They are of concern.
However in actuality the players you are worried about didn"t either play the event, or in my case, didn"t play it as you fear. There were quite a few players who played with £50 or only re bought once who managed to do very well. I was only in for £105, I didn"t bully or make any "f*ck it calls". I did however make a call some questioned when it got opened to £6 on the 25/50p level by Mr J Murphy, called in 5 spots (including myself) then an all in from an apat regular for 32. Everyone folded round to me and I called quickly with 86ss. This isn"t a hopeful call but instead an almost certainly profitable call based on my price and hand. The gent had AKo and I made a straight. He was visibly frustrated but it is a cash game and I make that call vs all unknowns and 95% of people I know as it is just printing money.
It played exactly as I hope it will from now on, like a small stakes cash game with a time pressure tournament element. I emplore you to not worry about any deep pockets or tournament life. Just enjoy a good structure with friendly people. All of the tables I played on were the embodiment of the apat I have heard of.
With maybe only myself representing a little bit of chilli sauce on the side.
IrishTom:
Thanks for the feedback.
With the events I"ve organised I think at most I"ve seen 3 rebuys - and they were not for the full £100 - more like "topping up when below £50" - is it not more the fear/worry/possibility of unlimited rebuys that is drawing negative thoughts?
Bearing in mind, if someone re-loads say 7 times - that means he has dropped below £50 on 7 occasions (or gone broke if only having £50 max - or something in between!), meaning he has probably lost circa £350 (min - anything up to £700!) before he does an 8th reload to have a max of £100 in front of him - therefore, other players at the table have that £350-£700 in their stacks.
Probably unfair from the "tournament" element of the Cash Tournament - but he has to make the Final Table - and then win or come 2nd in that to benefit from the "tournament buyins" - having spent £350-£700 and then having to qualify from a "reload of £100 max" with blinds at 25p/25p or 25p/50p max.
Probably great for the "cash" element of the Cash Tournament - others are benefiting.
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: Sugar_Free on April 14, 2015, 10:53:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: AMRN on April 14, 2015, 09:37:51 AM ---
I was gonna play this one, but now not so sure. I"m not rolled to play £100 cash games effectively, and whilst introducing unlimited reloads does indeed make it more akin to a natural cash game, it takes it away from the low cost approach for which APAT is famous. I would take a punt with a couple of buy ins, but those with deep pockets can abuse this and will have a significant advantage - and that kinda goes against what APAT is supposed to stand for.
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I agree with Steve (gasp). I thought the idea was rather than make it just feel like a cash game, it was supposed to have the feel of a tourney in that at some stage your tournament life could be on the line so that you don"t just get the "F*** it" calls, followed by another reload.
Where next? Unlimited rebuys in the sides?
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Most certainly respect the opinions offered here by these guy"s and maybe it is something that needs to be looked at if this is the opinion of most of the regulars. I don"t think the game will get as much passing trade as the WCOAP in Stratford did on the tour.
Would like to hear APAT's opinion on the highlighted bit as this is certainly not my understanding of what they are trying to achieve here. It is in no way suppose to feel like a tournament, they are different skill sets, and this is meant to be a cash game. It just needs to have a winner and this is a way of achieving it. It is not a pure cash game but it is pretty close, if the idea is to give a tournament feel it is failing as it feels nothing like a tournament. I don"t believe that was the idea though so it is a success.
That said I don"t see the problem with a rebuy being a side event either.
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