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APAT Main Event Structure - proposed slight amendment
Poker_Monkey:
--- Quote from: IrishTom on June 13, 2015, 21:48:55 PM ---
Below is an extract of the APAT Main Event structure which is around Day 1 completion time:
L10 500 1000 150 L11 600 1200 200 L12 800 1600 250 L13 1000 2000 300
One small irritation of mine is that if we complete after L12 then we either have to do the 25 chip-up at the end of play on Day 1, which is a pain for players as chips are being counted and bagged before they can depart, or when we return for the start of Day 2, which is a pain for players and a real bugbear of mine as it inevitably delays play.
I"d propose to change the L12 Ante from 250 to 200 to give us more scope to complete the 25s chip-up so as not to interfere with play in any way - with it having negligible effect on the structure and flow of the game.
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Drop the 250 and leave it at 200
IrishTom:
Thanks for the feedback, and having looked a little further, we believe the following changes will have a positive impact on the APAT structure and flow of the game and look to implement them for Cardiff and beyond:
Level Small Big Ante 1 25 50 2 50 100 3 75 150 4 100 200 5 100 200 25 6 150 300 50 7 200 400 50 8 300 600 75 - CHANGE TO 100 9 400 800 100 10 500 1000 150 - CHANGE TO 100 11 600 1200 200 12 800 1600 250 - CHANGE TO 200 13 1000 2000 300 14 1500 3000 400 15 2000 4000 500
For Cardiff, I"ve planned to play 4 levels then come back to the introduction of Antes after the first break, then have the 2nd and longer dinner break after Level 7, during which we can chip up 25s and have no more need for chip ups during Day 1, then come back to play the remaining 3 levels of Day 1.
The above should also help the game flow a little better and quicker with less requirements for dealers to be sorting out change from 75 Antes etc.
I"ll get the website updated idc, and also ask for the "day 1 end break" to be removed as that also leads to lots of questions during events, and invariably never runs to Level 15 on Day 1.
Scousebill:
Looks good to me....
But any structure that leads to me making a Day 2 is a good structure.... :D ;D
Fluence:
--- Quote from: IrishTom on August 18, 2015, 16:42:41 PM ---
Thanks for the feedback, and having looked a little further, we believe the following changes will have a positive impact on the APAT structure and flow of the game and look to implement them for Cardiff and beyond:
Level Small Big Ante 1 25 50 2 50 100 3 75 150 4 100 200 5 100 200 25 6 150 300 50 7 200 400 50 8 300 600 75 - CHANGE TO 100 9 400 800 100 10 500 1000 150 - CHANGE TO 100 11 600 1200 200 12 800 1600 250 - CHANGE TO 200 13 1000 2000 300 14 1500 3000 400 15 2000 4000 500
For Cardiff, I"ve planned to play 4 levels then come back to the introduction of Antes after the first break, then have the 2nd and longer dinner break after Level 7, during which we can chip up 25s and have no more need for chip ups during Day 1, then come back to play the remaining 3 levels of Day 1.
The above should also help the game flow a little better and quicker with less requirements for dealers to be sorting out change from 75 Antes etc.
I"ll get the website updated idc, and also ask for the "day 1 end break" to be removed as that also leads to lots of questions during events, and invariably never runs to Level 15 on Day 1.
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I"ve said before that the 75 and 150 antes should be rounded up (or down) so I"m pleased to see this is to be implemented. It will save a lot of messing around.
Some say "never change a winning formula" and as the APAT events are superb it would be tempting to never alter them at all, but the fact that minor tweaks/improvements are made from time to time is a good thing IMO.
IrishTom:
--- Quote from: IrishTom on August 18, 2015, 16:42:41 PM ---
Thanks for the feedback, and having looked a little further, we believe the following changes will have a positive impact on the APAT structure and flow of the game and look to implement them for Cardiff and beyond:
Level Small Big Ante 1 25 50 2 50 100 3 75 150 4 100 200 5 100 200 25 6 150 300 50 7 200 400 50 8 300 600 75 - CHANGE TO 100 9 400 800 100 10 500 1000 150 - CHANGE TO 100 11 600 1200 200 12 800 1600 250 - CHANGE TO 200 13 1000 2000 300 14 1500 3000 400 15 2000 4000 500
For Cardiff, I"ve planned to play 4 levels then come back to the introduction of Antes after the first break, then have the 2nd and longer dinner break after Level 7, during which we can chip up 25s and have no more need for chip ups during Day 1, then come back to play the remaining 3 levels of Day 1.
The above should also help the game flow a little better and quicker with less requirements for dealers to be sorting out change from 75 Antes etc.
I"ll get the website updated idc, and also ask for the "day 1 end break" to be removed as that also leads to lots of questions during events, and invariably never runs to Level 15 on Day 1.
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As most will be aware, we amended the APAT Structure since Cardiff this Season, which can be seen HERE.
From my pov, I didn"t work Cardiff nor Manchester, but what I did notice/think in Newcastle last weekend was that the play got a little tight on Day 2 for a period when at one point we seemed to be playing with around 15-20 BBs average stack (not sure how long that lasted - or maybe I got my mental arithmetic wrong? - but that is obv not good if it were to be the norm!). Not sure that was as a consequence of the change in structure, but would be interested in feedback from members... obviously especially those who have played under both the old and new structures.
Also, with the new structure it means we will normally play 4 levels (3 hours) on Day 1, then break, then revert to playing in blocks of 3 levels (2.25 hours) - we plan to play 13 levels on Day 1, but this is flexible and we will continue to monitor it throughout the day and advise players with at least 2 levels notice if we will play less... dropping it to only 12 or even 11 levels for Day 1 if we feel it would benefit the event... all this is actually a little flexible to allow us to have breaks that coincide with chip up requirements... but we will continue to keep players informed on the day so there are no short notice surprises.
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