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Des:
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S11 announcement
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Yay!!
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soon
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Awww
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I hung it out there, just saying! :)
TheSquirrel:
--- Quote from: Des on March 27, 2017, 13:00:35 PM ---
Hi Anthony,
I should take the first part of this question as I was (and continue to be) the biggest exponent of the reservation fee at APAT. I should explain why we do it.
For years we offered a free 'reserve a seat' feature through the forum and we always had a large percentage of reserving players (50% minimum) let us down on the day. That meant certain other players weren't coming to events because they believed we were sold out in advance. Remember, APAT isn't a local game, so it became a barrier to many to travel across country for a game, when a motorway delay might mean there aren't any seats left when you arrive.
So we added a reservation fee.
This increased the reliability of the system and allowed us to continue to offer the system. However, we didn't do this as a money making scheme - it helps a little, but is a relatively small income line.
We offered it alongside direct buy in via our online partner - which had no fees attached, not even a requirement to play online. We also continue to offer online sats and we continue to offer seats in advance via the venue and on the day if availability allows. We've tried to offer something for everyone. Paid and free.
Why don't we offer a refund?
It would become an admin nightmare and doing so would erode that small commitment that we ask members to make for this optional service, possibly increasing no shows again.
Why didn't we include it within the buyin?
Again, an admin nightmare that we're simply not resourced to manage well. Quality is very important to the team at APAT, if we can't do it well, we don't do it at all. Even if it means we make a small profit on the activity.
Plus it's fantastic in this day and age to be able to offer a single button on the APAT home page that will enable a new player to get a seat without needing to download stuff or worry about getting to the venue days early. That's what today's mobile users expect.
That and the tons of value like Vegas packages that we add. ;)
If you haven't experienced APAT before, then I'd encourage you to. In fact, I'd be happy to personally pay your reservation fees for an event or two so that you can see how good we are. PM me if you'd like to take me up on my offer.
ps - I pushed the multi format events for years also and am extremely proud of the schedule that Tom has put together for Manchester. We might well be the friendliest poker tour in the UK - I know we're the oldest - but that doesn't stop our players being very competitive and ensuring that we grow our non hold'em schedule is something that we'll continue to do. I think Tom will have some good news on that front in our S11 announcement, which I suspect is coming soon.
Cheers,
Des.
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Many thanks for your reply. Explained perfectly and I can't fault your reasons for having the system you do, it's just your system didn't appeal to me. As a player I liked to turn up, buy in and play, simple as that. It took an ever increasing effort to get me out in the evening and sit at a poker table. Sitting at a dinner table, now that's something entirely different!
I wish you the best of luck with your tour. I was originally made aware of APAT by a very experienced old school character, and I think you have a good reputation amongst some older players. My post was a bit of a moan, but as someone who rarely plays nowadays, and is unlikely to play APAT, I decided to moan away and say why. Thanks for your explanation.
Red_Nev:
Have just read through the event details and I'm not 100% sure but the details for the Irish and Crazy Pineapple seem to be the same and if I remember rightly the Crazy Pineapple was just three cards last year , and not four ?
Could someone please confirm , thanks
IrishTom:
--- Quote from: Red_Nev on March 30, 2017, 19:25:10 PM --- Have just read through the event details and I'm not 100% sure but the details for the Irish and Crazy Pineapple seem to be the same and if I remember rightly the Crazy Pineapple was just three cards last year , and not four ?
Could someone please confirm , thanks
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Thanks Nev you're right... my mistake and all sorted now
ian.ski309:
Sorry if this has already been mentioned but I can't find it anywhere...
Will Day 1 of the 6-Max be played over a predetermined number of blind levels or down to a certain number of runners ? With it being a 5pm start, capped at 84 runners and only a 10k stack, are there any circumstances under which it might be played to a conclusion on Day 1 ?
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