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WCOAP 2017 - Discussion
Bigfella42:
--- Quote from: TheSquirrel on March 24, 2017, 22:00:23 PM ---As someone who stopped playing poker last year after 16 years, I will make a few observations. I hope they are not considered too negative but for a start I will give the reasons I have never played an APAT event. A seat is not guaranteed unless you reserve one in advance, and then the reserve deposit is lost, not considered part of the buy in.
I love the old games rather than NLHE all the time, in fact I came to hate the game. So for me there would never be enough stud and omaha type games to make it worthwhile a few days overnight stay to play the APAT. The only place that now does those games is the WSOP - perhaps a trip to the WSOP if ever I get off my arse and inspired enough to play again and donk off £10-15k. I know that's a lot more than a few quid to reserve an APAT seat but I consider that deposit money being lost to be a bit of an insult.
The APAT was sometimes tempting but it just never had enough of those alternative games (not the dreaded open face thing) to break through my increasing apathy. APAT is a very commendable thing, and I hope you keep going, but I also hope you broaden the appeal with a few more stud or omaha type games, not fewer. I know that's the way it's gone, and that's the way it will keep going. God I hate holdem.
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You can buy in online at Grosvenor Poker, no deposit needed.
Brings back memories when we had the click fest for events - happy days :)
Sugar_Free:
--- Quote from: TheSquirrel on March 24, 2017, 22:00:23 PM ---As someone who stopped playing poker last year after 16 years, I will make a few observations. I hope they are not considered too negative but for a start I will give the reasons I have never played an APAT event. A seat is not guaranteed unless you reserve one in advance, and then the reserve deposit is lost, not considered part of the buy in.
I love the old games rather than NLHE all the time, in fact I came to hate the game. So for me there would never be enough stud and omaha type games to make it worthwhile a few days overnight stay to play the APAT. The only place that now does those games is the WSOP - perhaps a trip to the WSOP if ever I get off my arse and inspired enough to play again and donk off £10-15k. I know that's a lot more than a few quid to reserve an APAT seat but I consider that deposit money being lost to be a bit of an insult.
The APAT was sometimes tempting but it just never had enough of those alternative games (not the dreaded open face thing) to break through my increasing apathy. APAT is a very commendable thing, and I hope you keep going, but I also hope you broaden the appeal with a few more stud or omaha type games, not fewer. I know that's the way it's gone, and that's the way it will keep going. God I hate holdem.
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I've guaranteed a seat in both the Omaha games without paying a non-refundable deposit. I've bought in direct in advance via Grosvenor Online
TheSquirrel:
Thanks guys, but I'm not a member of Grosvenor poker online, I rarely played online. I think if there were a decent razz game and one or two decent stud or stud omaha mix games I might have been tempted (although I'm probably too far gone with the laziness and apathy), but I shall follow the event with interest and see what people have to say about it.
Chipaccrual:
Hi Anthony,
Thanks for your feedback, it's always appreciated.
When putting a schedule together, it's always about finding a balance in the variants we offer. Our WCOAP event is now in its 9th year, and it has grown each year, offering recreational players a variety of poker variants for a low buy. We pride ourselves on giving the best possible structure we can within the constraints of the venue and staffing.
I'm not sure where you have been able to get your fix of live non-holdem tournaments over the past 16 years, but I'm quite surprised you've never decided to give an APAT event a go at some point. My understanding of the UK poker scene is that you will see the odd variant tournament, but they are few and far between.
The reservation fee is just another way APAT has innovated to give players flexibility in how they can play our events. We don't force players down that route, as we always run online holding tanks (with no fee) for all our events, plus players can just turn up on the day (although as our events do have a cap, we cannot guarantee spaces will be available).
You don't need to follow the event to see what people have to say. We've got 10 years of feedback on APAT events. You'll not find anywhere else in the UK where you can pit your wits against likeminded lovers of non-holdem games. They are a geeky bunch, but we love them for it :)
Leigh
TheSquirrel:
--- Quote from: Chipaccrual on March 25, 2017, 08:36:12 AM ---Hi Anthony,
Thanks for your feedback, it's always appreciated.
When putting a schedule together, it's always about finding a balance in the variants we offer. Our WCOAP event is now in its 9th year, and it has grown each year, offering recreational players a variety of poker variants for a low buy. We pride ourselves on giving the best possible structure we can within the constraints of the venue and staffing.
I'm not sure where you have been able to get your fix of live non-holdem tournaments over the past 16 years, but I'm quite surprised you've never decided to give an APAT event a go at some point. My understanding of the UK poker scene is that you will see the odd variant tournament, but they are few and far between.
The reservation fee is just another way APAT has innovated to give players flexibility in how they can play our events. We don't force players down that route, as we always run online holding tanks (with no fee) for all our events, plus players can just turn up on the day (although as our events do have a cap, we cannot guarantee spaces will be available).
You don't need to follow the event to see what people have to say. We've got 10 years of feedback on APAT events. You'll not find anywhere else in the UK where you can pit your wits against likeminded lovers of non-holdem games. They are a geeky bunch, but we love them for it :)
Leigh
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Hi there,
Thanks for your reply. I suppose I have never played APAT because of the policy of losing the reservation fee rather than it counting towards the buy in. I always considered a reservation fee should be lost if you don't take your seat but counted towards your buy in if you do. I will not buy in ahead of time in case I can't make it, but you cannot guarantee a seat, so I am not willing to travel in case I don't get one.
I am lucky in the Genting Luton laying a dealer's choice or omaha tourney once or twice a week, which is where I played towards the end. Most of the years I played and the money I ground out was at low level holdem, but I started to hate it. I couldn't earn enough to make it worthwhile playing unless I was enjoying it, and I wasn't. The mixed games and omaha tourneys had no money in them but were more enjoyable, and I was playing against people half of whom were better than I was.
I will probably not play an APAT for the above reasons, but I understand your reasons for doing things the way you do. Thanks for replying to a post which was a bit of a moan, but I did want to at least leave some sort of feedback. I have never played APAT and at least wanted to inform why. Sad to see some of those games fading away but nice to see some members here still registering support for them.
If I'd have played one or two I may have got into it. I think I would certainly have prefered your bunch to the ever present slow playing hoodies around nowadays.
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