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--- Quote from: KarmaDope on March 31, 2018, 09:54:01 AM ---If it's travel and accommodation that drives us then maybe we should have all the events in the cheapest place...Blackpool?! :D
On a more serious matter I'm against the change to increased buy in. A lot of the regs can afford this raise but it's always been a selling point for recs that APAT offers the best structured 2 day comp for less than a hundred quid. Plus if the buy in for main events is £110, what's the ME buy in for WCOAP, £150?
I'm heading out now so will come back and post more on this later.
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Why does the main event at the WCOAP have to be different? we already have a £220 buy-in
The equivalent to £75 in 2005 would be £109 today so it be wont be an increase as such just keeping up with inflation
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Erm...because it's marketed as the Main Event. Just like the WSOP Main Event is more expensive than their Circuit events which run year round.
The Championship events are £75 and the side events are ~£35/40 depending on which season it is. The WCOAP is £110 and the side events are £55, just like the WSOP where they have a range of buyins for the side events but the World Championship events are $10k, but at their Circuit events (ring, not bracelet for the winner), generally the sides are $365 and the main is $1,675.
Obviously APAT don't use the same ratio for the buy in difference here but you could make a decent comparison towards the APAT Championship events being like the WSOP Circuit events, and the WCOAP being like the WSOP.
However, my main argument against it is quite simple, if we go up to £100 + rake, we're then competing with the likes of the Goliath/DTD etc. Never going to win that battle at all. Also, for recreational players who play local comps down the Genting/G, it's not that much of a jump up from £56 to £82.50, but if they go home and tell their partner that the APAT comp is now OVER a hundred quid...that three figure number is still a big hurdle in recreational poker.
To be honest I think APAT's lost a bit of what it was about. It's become a lot more serious than it was and a lot of recs who play 20 quid buy in's down the pub/in the casino play one APAT, find the standard too high and give up. It's a victim of it's own success, in a way. All the guys who played 10 years ago are still here, and most of them are a lot better now than they were back then, but are quite comfortable to stay at this level. The only spot on the calendar I find is like it was is the Forum Team Event, and that's because everyone approaches the weekend differently.
I'm really not explaining myself very well here, but I'll try and get up to Manchester over the week and grab a drink with anyone who wants to discuss!
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Washing my hair mate, washing my hair...
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That can't take long
nosey-p:
I get what you are saying about the 3 figure being a hurdle. And the step up from the local £50 comp to a £100 comp, but we are talking about a 2 day well structured comp. And for G to be running this at £7.50 will be asking for an increase at some point as there overheads go up.
I don't agree about the main event at the WCOAP just because another tour increase there buy-in we should do the same. It can be just the same £100
If APAT was starting today then £109 would be the equivalent to £75 in 2005
KarmaDope:
--- Quote from: nosey-p on April 04, 2018, 10:24:55 AM ---I get what you are saying about the 3 figure being a hurdle. And the step up from the local £50 comp to a £100 comp, but we are talking about a 2 day well structured comp. And for G to be running this at £7.50 will be asking for an increase at some point as there overheads go up.
I don't agree about the main event at the WCOAP just because another tour increase there buy-in we should do the same. It can be just the same £100
If APAT was starting today then £109 would be the equivalent to £75 in 2005
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Considering the Goliath just got announced today as £100 + £25 (!!!) I imagine if we went up to £100 they'd want something similar - then it becomes a 50% + increase, and that would probably not be as accepted by recs...they'd want to see guarantees on it and APAT can't do that.
s4ooter:
What more do people want?
I dont really see the issue with the buyin levels at the moment.
£34 for tour sides
£57 for WCOAP sides
£82 for tour mains
£110 for WCOAP main
All pretty nicely split tbh - if anything i would prefer to see the online prices increase but thats just me
Red_Nev:
My thoughts for what they are worth !
WCOAP as it stands ... I don't see too much wrong ... clashing with Easter will probably annoy some and having the starting weekend clashing with Easter ( my weekend ) seemed like the numbers were down because of it ( twice as many people this weekend ) but the volume and choice of games AND the current buy ins seem perfect as it stands . I played four events and with hotels and travel spent .... ( and no cash ) ..... meant a decent cost was occurred so in the future I'd be forced to play in less events if the buy in went up .
I understand and it seems reasonable if there's a slight inc in a buy in but to double for a normal event seems rather excessive, but I like the idea of a deeper starting stack and or more double chance comps as it's good you cannot Rebuy .
That all said it was once again brilliantly run by BNR and Tom and his crew !!
Finally ..... any chance we could get an event in the capital because since this has moved from Aspers Stratford I can't think of anything and it seems weird that London misses out !!
Thanks Red Nev
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