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opinon on this hand please.....how would you play it and what would you do ??

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noble1:
first off i am going to number some of your quotes just to break down your play , his play and your thinking / logic process to this situation..

1.I am chip-leader with approx 17k and my oppo is 2nd with approx 15k.
2.On button, I call
3.Oppo raises in BB to 4200
4.the blinds were 800 /1600.
5.But I read his small raise as weak
6.I thought he was raising me pre-flop just to get me out of the hand and say "If you don"t raise, I will !!"
7.I just didn"t see how I could possibly bin them
8.Why can"t people just accept that sometimes you are going to get outdrawn
9.If I miss the flop I can then fold if he bets out
10.but sometimes NOT trying to steal the blinds can also paint a confusing picture
11.I call as i think he could see my limp as an opportunity to make a move on me

Quote from David Sklansky
The psychology of poker is an important aspect of the game.You should think not only about what your opponents have,but about what they think you have and about what they think you think they have.
You must go through these thought processes against GOOD PLAYERS , against expert players it becomes even more difficult and complex.
On the other hand against weak players because players are not thinking on such an advanced level the best strategy is to play your cards in a basic straightforward way.

Questions i"d like to ask you and for you to go away and think about BOINGBLITZ.

1. Do you think limping 1st into a pot from late position with a fairly strong hand is the best way to play it?
2.Do you see every 2.5bb ish raise pre-flop as a weak bet?
3.Did you consider any hand range for your opponent based on any previous plays?
4.You say it was a weak raise even though your opponent has put in 30% of his stack,and yet you only call , why not re-raise him pre-flop?
5.In reflection do you think you are a bit of a call station pre-flop / post flop?
6.Did you have a plan if say that flop came ace queen jack rainbow?
7.Did you at any stage consider stack size to blind size?
8.Do you think your opponent played this hand in a straightforward way based on what and how he perceived you?
9.Do you think his chip stack size dictated his bet on the flop? or was it just a player with a made hand protecting it?.
10.On the flop did you consider odds or his possible hands at any stage?
11.So if he had gone all in pre-flop you would consider this a strong move?
12.Do you think you played your hand well?
13.Can you be honest and critical enough in evaluating your own game to make changes?
14.When you read or post on forums do you only listen to answers you want to hear?

There so many more questions i could put in especially some more psychology type ones  ;D  but please think this hand through again , there is a lot to learn from it.

noble1:
i await your answer  :o

Mikeyboy9361:
Hi Noble. I don"t think I have ever spoken to anybody who thinks every hand thru to the same degree that you do, I certainly haven"t got the mental capacity to do so ;)
I have a reasonable understanding and have read a few books and magazines, I play APAT events and mainly cash on line, and am what I would class as a social player. I am a winning player ( not fortunes ) but I am in front. I recently won a small tournament by playing my way, which relies a little on maths, a lot on what I have read, and also what I would call feel. This is something you can"t coach and that is what makes the greats great (certainly not me!), don"t you think sometimes that you can out think yourself?
Where do you play? Are you a winner? Do you play APAT events either live or on line? Would just be nice to know :)

noble1:
check previous posts my stats are there , also my online name is by my apat name.

quote - don"t you think sometimes that you can out think yourself

good question but here is mine to you Mikeyboy9361 if you read any post in which i post i will try and get the person asking the question to think about there game and try to get them to analyze themselves.
Am i really out thinking myself? err no but i will try get others to think about there own games.

http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=2076.0

quote - and also what I would call feel. This is something you can"t coach and that is what makes the greats great

expand on this please Mikeyboy9361 is it just feel? and who would you put forward as a great great player? and how do you think they have learnt?


question for you Mikeyboy9361 - When you read or post on forums do you only listen to answers you want to hear?

also what are the motives of posting on forums and how do you get better or improve at poker,do you have to think about it?

Mikeyboy9361:
Hi Noble

No I can"t really quantify "feel" it is like instinct, and is really just an ability to come to the correct decision and action without having a logical explanation. It is not exclusive to Poker, but in many sporting domains, you will find the guys at the top of their game just "know" when to do certain things and when not do others. Ask them why they did it and they cannot give a rational answer.

Do I want to hear or read only things I want to hear? No not at all, it is always nice to have your peers compliment you on a job well done or a hand well played, but the thing that I enjoy most about this forum is the many and varied answers to different situations.I was in no way trying to denegrate you or your opinions, just to point out that your anwers ( and questions) seem to have far more depth than most.

I was asking about your own results on the Poker circuit as I was interested in seeing whether all your theories had actually translated into tournament victories, or big cash wins. I don"t have any Poker tracking soft ware or Sharkscope and am unable to check this sort of stuff out.

Obviously the best players cannot get by on instinct alone, and have learned from experience. Nowadays there are so many more learning tools out there for would be students of the game, but in my opinion there is no substitute to playing the game, either live or on line. Doyle, Slim, Wendell and the boys had no Cardrunners, to fall back on they learned from playing the game, and from the old fashioned forum, chatting about hands in the bar!

Who are the Greats of the game. Doyle, Hellmuth, Negreanu, Ivey. Are all names that immediately spring to mind and their results stand the test. I personally feel that Doyle cannot live with the newer, younger, fitter breed, and my personal favourite is Alan Cunningham.

So keep posting, they are always entertaining and informative.

Which other forum could you have such a well mannered discussion?
:D

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