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what do you do here and why?
Swinebag:
£10 freezeout, 27 runners, 14 players left, top 4 paid, starting stack 10K, average chips 19K, blinds 400/800
Folds round to button (10K) who limps
I have 9K and see ah :3s: on the SB so make up to 800, BB (8K) checks
flop: ac kc 5d
I lead out for 1600, BB folds, button goes all in so its 7K to call (all my chips).
I know my oponent well. My read is that he does limp a lot of pots but will raise up on the button with 77+, A x, (and maybe broadway) He knows I bet most flops if I sense weakness. He also knows that I back down to aggression (especially for all my chips) when I have marginal holdings (e.g. top pair no kicker)
You can probably guess what i did now, but anyway three questions
1. What range do you put the button on after his shove (given his pre flop limp)
2. should I have even made up in the SB
3. Should i call his shove for my tourney.
AMRN:
1. Either a weak ace (but better than yours), or Kx
2. No. you were putting in chips weakly without gaining any info. Personally, I would have pounced on his weak limp and put in a healthy raise.... and recognising that you are out of position after the flop, I would probably have shoved from the SB preflop to avoid having to make a difficult decision later in the hand. He"s going to need a big hand to call for all his chips there, but his limp suggests he doesn"t have a big hand..............
3. Difficult one - toss a coin, turn round three times on your seat, touch your toes, close your eyes, then call if your timer hasn"t run out :)
LongshanksED:
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on November 07, 2008, 11:44:46 AM ---
£10 freezeout, 27 runners, 14 players left, top 4 paid, starting stack 10K, average chips 19K, blinds 400/800
Folds round to button (10K) who limps
I have 9K and see ah :3s: on the SB so make up to 800, BB (8K) checks
flop: ac kc 5d
I lead out for 1600, BB folds, button goes all in so its 7K to call (all my chips).
I know my oponent well. My read is that he does limp a lot of pots but will raise up on the button with 99+, AT+, (and maybe KQ) He knows I bet most flops if I sense weakness. He also knows that I back down to aggression (especially for all my chips) when I have marginal holdings (e.g. top pair no kicker)
You can probably guess what i did now, but anyway three questions
1. What range do you put the button on after his shove (given his pre flop limp)
2. should I have even made up in the SB
3. Should i call his shove for my tourney.
--- End quote ---
1. i would put him on ace something and probably better than your 3
2. your M is less than 10 so i shove pre flop maybe be a good idea but your not in serious trouble yet so the call aint bad hoping to hit big on the flop
3. no. dont shove in. your pair could be good but i cant see it with theweak ki. plus you still got a bit of time and your on the button next so maybe you got a chance to steal a few blinds once the button is on you
monkeyman:
I think there"s a number of equally valid ways you could go with this one. Firstly, the one action I would never have taken would to have been to have made up from the small blind. By doing this, you are exposing yourself to trouble ahead, as you"re playing before two opponents with no idea of how you stand in the hand. Folding is a perfectly sensible option (that"s how I"d have gone), raising also has a little merit and given the stack sizes, I may even have shoved here.
Having passed that stage and given that you"ve hit an ace on the flop, betting out is the sensible option. With the board as it is, there"s a huge number of hands you could be in very bad shape against, but you are at least giving your opponents a decision to make. If as happened here, your opponent comes over the top, folding is the move I"d go for as you could be putting your tournament life on the line against a bigger ace or flush draw which has two chances to hit.
As for what your opponent had, I"d put him on a wide range, all of which could spell trouble. He may well have had a stronger ace, but if I take your read on him as accurate, then he would probably have raised preflop. The two holdings I feel are most likely are two connected clubs, possibly queen/jack, or what I think is most likely is a pair of fives which, of course has hit trips on the flop.
To summarise, the potential ways you could have played this hand, in my order of preference are as follows:
1) Fold preflop
2) Shove preflop
3) Call from the small blind, lead out after the flop, fold if your opponent comes over the top
4) Call from the small blind, lead out after the flop, call if your opponent comes over the top
5) Call from the big blind, check after the flop, fold to any action
bigredders:
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on November 07, 2008, 11:44:46 AM ---
£10 freezeout, 27 runners, 14 players left, top 4 paid, starting stack 10K, average chips 19K, blinds 400/800
Folds round to button (10K) who limps
I have 9K and see ah :3s: on the SB so make up to 800, BB (8K) checks
flop: ac kc 5d
I lead out for 1600, BB folds, button goes all in so its 7K to call (all my chips).
I know my oponent well. My read is that he does limp a lot of pots but will raise up on the button with 77+, A x, (and maybe broadway) He knows I bet most flops if I sense weakness. He also knows that I back down to aggression (especially for all my chips) when I have marginal holdings (e.g. top pair no kicker)
You can probably guess what i did now, but anyway three questions
1. What range do you put the button on after his shove (given his pre flop limp)
2. should I have even made up in the SB
3. Should i call his shove for my tourney.
--- End quote ---
1. my personal opinion that he has a flush draw, think he would raise with an ace on the button(i bet he hit it as well)
2.debatable...i understand through the fact you had the odds to, but you just dont know where you are when it does hit your ace. so therefore your best case scenario(hitting your ace) is also your worst case scenario. especially when out of position.
3. i personally would make the hero call here, judging on your info. it is borderline though because even if you put him on the flush he has plenty of outs to hit and thats your best case scenario as i wouldn"t have thought he would do that with fresh air
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